Seeing as the holograms jump location from time to time, (even without the interference), I would say it is predictive, and when the computer saw that he was about to sit down, it placed him in a convenient location within Burnham's quarters.
I think we just need to accept the fact that this is a full reboot.
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Seeing as the holograms jump location from time to time, (even without the interference), I would say it is predictive, and when the computer saw that he was about to sit down, it placed him in a convenient location within Burnham's quarters.
People are not making the argument that the look doesn't have to be updated for modern times. The argument is that if you do it in the prime universe at that point in time that the new look has to replicate the feel of the old look, not that it is supose to be a exact duplicate you might see in a fan film.
I wish I could see a example were anyone has ever said the show should look like it was made in the 60's. Why is retro-futuristic not seen as a visual updating as well? Is gritty and dark lighting the only style you can do anymore to feel, modern?
Plus you got the fact that most people,me including don't even mind the look only that the look works better as a rebooted version of Trek than a continuation of the same universe if your going to set it so close to a show like "TOS" that has the most unique look of any of the shows that came before because it existed, almost on a island from all the other shows because of the time gaps. 60 years after "Enterprise" and 80 years before "TNG." Well "Discovery" was placed on that island and it doesn't make sense from a in-universe point-of-view.
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Not really no, it's the Romulans who copied the Klingon ships during the mid 2250s not the other way around.
The Klingons should be using D7's and Birds of Prey with maybe some old D5's.
That's an established fixed fact as shown in TOS.
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Makes me laugh every time I think if it.
It would've saved them millions of dollars.
Trying to go that route would have meant no new Star Trek at all.
The only bird of prey in TOS is the Romulan one in Balance of Terror. The first time we see a Klingon bird of prey was in The Search For Spock, and then, the original script called for it to be a captured Romulan ship. There is nothing in canon that says Klingons have them in this period (yes ENT has them, but nothing says they continued). I'm not saying they don't have them, but nothing specific says they have.
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Yes the Klingons had them alongside the D7's as the Bird of Prey design was old even during the original movies just like the D7 alongside the newer K'Tinga class, the Romulans originally had a Bird of Prey of their own but it was rubbish which is why they copied the Klingon designs for the D7 in the late 2250's, I don't blame the Romulans for agreeing to a technology swap deal with the Klingons as the Romulan Bird of Prey was a nuclear powered pile of junk, the Romulans also gained Klingon plasma based weapon technology from the Klingons at the same time.
If the Klingons don't have those ships in the mid 2250's then how can the Romulans copy them for their own use, which is also an established fixed fact, sorry it just doesn't work at all.
If the Klingons don't have D7 in this series then neither can the Romulans, this is why some understandably have doubts over it being prime timeline, I really don't mind either way myself.
I took a close look at the Klingon ships and none of them looked even remotely like a D5, D7 or Bird of Prey which is really odd, funnily enough the only ship design I partially recognised if I closed one eye and squinted at the screen was T'Kuvmas ship which in very bad disco lighting looks a bit like the Negh'Var class in overall shape and size.
If you're secure that it isn't a reboot, why the need to shut down people who disagree?
I'm sure you think you're clever, but you're not.
The constant threads about it are annoying. We've got 4 or 5 of them going now, about something that is factually incorrect. If you want to believe in FAKE NEWS (to use a buzz word) at least keep it in one thread where all the delusional conspiracy theorists can sit and and chirp back and forth.
Since you're not a mod, I'll file your complaint in the appropriate place.
let people have their own opinions, if they want to pretend it is a reboot, it doesn't hurt you at all.
This discussion is pointless. 'Reboot' is not a clearly defined term. There are certainly are differences, some that I would consider significant. But then again, it is not like all the old Trek productions fitted seamlessly together either. So basically this is about what amount of changes you personally feel is acceptable before it becomes 'a reboot'.
Between the unusually advanced technology and the biological change of the Klingons, unless there is an in-universe explanation as to why, then the entire prime timeline unravels. I will not accept this as prime universe cannon.
If they can throw me a bone and show classic Klingons alongside the new Klingons, then I can accept this as prime. For now, this is no better than the JJ reboots.
If they can throw me a bone and show classic Klingons alongside the new Klingons, then I can accept this as prime. For now, this is no better than the JJ reboots.
Since the showrunners have already said that it is, I'm not sure you have a choice in the matter.
The argument here is basically "It's a reboot because...we don't like and we would prefer it not affect our universe".
That's fine as a headcanon make-you-feel-good argument, but it's not a real argument. Any more than the arguments for Phantom Menace being in a different universe because it's to stupid for us to want it to affect our beloved originals.
That's fine as a headcanon make-you-feel-good argument, but it's not a real argument. Any more than the arguments for Phantom Menace being in a different universe because it's to stupid for us to want it to affect our beloved originals.
I can close my wallet, choose not to watch, and not buy any related merchandise. So I have that choice. I did the same thing in 2011 when DC Comics went full New 52. After decades as a customer, I haven't bought any new DC comics. Until DC fixes their continiuty, I'll spend my time with old comics. I will do the same thing with Trek.
That argument depends on whether canon resides in the collective imaginations of the fans or whether it resides in an intellectual property contract.
Of course you have the choice to watch or not watch, to enjoy or not enjoy. That is your absolute right as a consumer. No one is disputing that.
What you do NOT have the choice to do, is tell the people making the show what it IS. That's not your place. If they say it's in the prime timeline, it's in the prime timeline. Who are you to tell them any different? Only the people making a thing (not just TV shows - pretty much anything in the world, when you get right down to it) know what it IS.
