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Fateor said:
No, I said "the Trauma from when she was 5 or 6 would have been dulled to almost nothing after 20 years" if you are gonna quote someone at least get it right..
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Actually it would depend on how she dealt with it over the years. The Vulcan way is to suppress emotion, but I doubt that method would work on a Human. In fact as she regains touch with her emotional side (after suppressing it on Vulcan within Vulcan society) - it would probably come flooding back full force and could further why she was so adamant and took the action she did in the ST: D first two episodes.
 
PTSD and grief symptoms do not just "dull to almost nothing." Just take my word on this and stop trying to verbally diminish a medical condition that may or may not last the rest of a person's life.

I don't know anybody who just waits out PTSD or grief until it eventually goes away or at least becomes something one can shrug off like a mild headache or indigestion. Being patient and the passage of time are not what cure these conditions if anything ever will.
 
Fateor said:
Kira was the Bajoran Liaison officer not the first officer of the station.

And T'Pol predates the founding of the Federation and the amalgamation of all the other space agencies into Starfleet.
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Kira was the first officer of the station, She act as the commanding officer in Sisko's absence.

Starfleet was around before the Federation, so T'Pol could have attended Starfleet Academy.
Fateor said:
No, I said "the Trauma from when she was 5 or 6 would have been dulled to almost nothing after 20 years" if you are gonna quote someone at least get it right..
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This is factually wrong.
 
Did anyone notice that Georgiou said that no one has seen a Klingon for 100 years, yet they know who it was who attacked Doctari Alpha? That must mean Burnham is very old.
 
Noname Given said:
Actually it would depend on how she dealt with it over the years. The Vulcan way is to suppress emotion, but I doubt that method would work on a Human. In fact as she regains touch with her emotional side (after suppressing it on Vulcan within Vulcan society) - it would probably come flooding back full force and could further why she was so adamant and took the action she did in the ST: D first two episodes.
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To be fair if she has a high Psi index Vulcan techniques could actually work for her.


cooleddie74 said:
PTSD and grief symptoms do not just "dull to almost nothing." Just take my word on this and stop trying to verbally diminish a medical condition that may or may not last the rest of a person's life.

I don't know anybody who just waits out PTSD or grief until it eventually goes away or at least becomes something one can shrug off like a mild headache or indigestion. Being patient and the passage of time are not what cure these conditions if anything ever will.
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When the traumatic event occurs in young children it does, their brains are much more elastic and adaptable then adults.
 
Fateor said:
No, I said "the Trauma from when she was 5 or 6 would have been dulled to almost nothing after 20 years" if you are gonna quote someone at least get it right..
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You couldn't be more wrong about this. Childhood traumas affect the adult they become in fundamental ways, especially if not properly treated - and I could quite imagine Vulcans would be poor at treating human mental health, plus Sarek's approach to parenting is unlikely to provide the emotional attachment a human child would require for healthy development. Ongoing anxieties, PTSD, attachment disorders, and other similar issues would quite realistically affect Burnham into adulthood. Especially with specific triggers like encountering the same enemy again.
 
Now after two viewings of both eps.

I hate the very idea that a Klingon leader would fire unprovoked on another ship in a sneak attack. To state that you are sending envoys and to then open fire is downright un Klingon. It's without honor. The klingons stab you in the front, not the back.

Next michael kills the leader and does exactly the opposite of what she went there for. First they play up her Vulcan character then have her act totally in anger? Plus what the hell is the captain doing on a suicide mission when her ship is close to destruction? Couldn't find security officers?

I also hated the other huge cloaked ship ramming the Europa.It was confusing as hell trying to figure out if it was the original one or not.
 
Fateor said:
When the traumatic event occurs in young children it does, their brains are much more elastic and adaptable then adults.
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Absolutely wrong. Yes, they are more elastic, but trauma fundamentally changes brain chemistry and children's ability to form connections and trusting relationships.

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Zod said:
I hate the very idea that a Klingon leader would fire unprovoked on another ship in a sneak attack. To state that you are sending envoys and to then open fire is downright un Klingon. It's without honor. The klingons stab you in the front, not the back.
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I don't know which Klingons you've been watching, but the ones with cloaking devices and using VISORs to obtain shield frequencies definitely stab people in the back. "In war, there is nothing more honorable than victory"

Zod said:
Next michael kills the leader and does exactly the opposite of what she went there for. irst they play up her Vulcan character then have her act totally in anger?
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She needed stopping power to try to stop him from killing her captain - you don't fire the taser equivalent at the person killing your superior officer, you fire your most powerful weapon - the 'kill' setting. Plus, Burnham doesn't necessarily know that's the leader, they've never met and I don't think she was on the bridge when he did his video link to threaten them.

Zod said:
Plus what the hell is the captain doing on a suicide mission when her ship is close to destruction? Couldn't find security officers?
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Star trek's done that trope since forever. Bit harsh to cite Discovery for doing it.
 
cultcross said:
I don't know which Klingons you've been watching, but the ones with cloaking devices and using VISORs to obtain shield frequencies definitely stab people in the back. "In war, there is nothing more honorable than victory"



She needed stopping power to try to stop him from killing her captain - you don't fire the taser equivalent at the person killing your superior officer, you fire your most powerful weapon - the 'kill' setting. Plus, Burnham doesn't necessarily know that's the leader, they've never met and I don't think she was on the bridge when he did his video link to threaten them.


Star trek's done that trope since forever. Bit harsh to cite Discovery for doing it.
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Well it didn't work for me. These Klingons were supposed to be traditionalists. They had a fleet. It was dishonorable.

As to the other stuff I'm not buying that either. The plan was capture not kill and what were like four klingons doing on the bridge? It was huge, shouldn't there have been more? Reminded me of Nemesis. Huge Reman ship almost totally empty.
 
Mirror Mirror said:
You stated trauma went away after 20+ years. It does not. They happen to be 13, but that does not change anything. Vulcans did not deal with her trauma, they told her to ignore and surpess it. This does not work with humans, much less a human child.
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Which tells me Vulcan doctors are illogical idiots, treating a human child like a Vulcan. And explains why Sarek screwed up with Spock. Amanda must be an emotionally abused wife.
 
It's amazing how people can judge an entire TV series based upon two or three episodes. We've really lost the patience to allow a series to grow. How sad.
 
LJones41 said:
It's amazing how people can judge an entire TV series based upon two or three episodes. We've really lost the patience to allow a series to grow. How sad.
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I criticize because I love Trek. Don't mistake my nitpick for not liking it. I will be watching.
 
Nyotarules said:
Which tells me Vulcan doctors are illogical idiots, treating a human child like a Vulcan. And explains why Sarek screwed up with Spock. Amanda must be an emotionally abused wife.
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It really makes things fit. Amanda could just be emotionally distant or damaged. It would fit. Vulcans ate just arrogant. They think everyone can do what they do and ignore biological and psychological make up.
 
I don't like the Klingon s makeover and the Klingons language subtitles is anoying and it sounds like they have rocks in their mouths, when speaking the Klingon Language.I don't care for Micheal Burnham's character making stupid and rash decisions when it came to her encounters with the klingons. and wouldn't listen to Captain Ghiorughou. She comes across as being too arrogant and unlikeable. In the first episode.
 
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