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Things you HATED about this show. As much as there are positives about STD there is much CRINGE!

My overall summation on this is that it doesn't have the rigor or depth of some of the cutting edge stuff that's been doing the rounds the past number of years. There was an opportunity here to put Trek back on the map with some weighty stuff but this stuff so far isn't that weighty. That may come of course but of all the recent acclaimed series I've watched started with something unmissable. This hasn't really, so that concerns me.

Now I myself am engaged enough to watch more but I'm not sure a generalised audience are going to be with me on that.
 
First post here. I have just some random thoughts.

For someone who it seems to have spent, what, at least 10 years living in the Vulcan culture, Burnham sure doesn't show much of that.

I'm not paying for the CBS stream, so I'll have to wait for some other way to watch the other episodes, but I sure hope this first season isn't all about war with the Kingons.

Also I don't understand why they would go backwards. Before the original series. With the technology we have today in producing movies and tv shows, why not place this after DS9 and Voyager.
 
Spot261 said:
I missed where this was stated
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T'Kumquat timed his little escapade to coincide with the Rokeg Pie festival on Qo'onos, right before the ribbons for best recipe were awarded. The 24 major houses would feel compelled to respond to the bat signal, and since no one had bragging rights as to whose blood pie recipe was best, they'd be ready for a fight.

This part might be only my head-canon, though.
 
Mad Jack Wolfe said:
T'Kumquat timed his little escapade to coincide with the Rokeg Pie festival on Qo'onos, right before the ribbons for best recipe were awarded. The 24 major houses would feel compelled to respond to the bat signal, and since no one had bragging rights as to whose blood pie recipe was best, they'd be ready for a fight.

This part might be only my head-canon, though.
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So it wasn't just me?
 
KirkusOveractus said:
One thread through both episodes that grates on me is that Burnham made so many stupid mistakes it made Harry Kim look like Stephen Hawking!
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Moral of this story, you shouldn't have people who didn't graduate Starfleet Academy as your first officer.
 
fireproof78 said:
Major Kira would like a word with you, as would T'Pol.
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Kira was the Bajoran Liaison officer not the first officer of the station.

And T'Pol predates the founding of the Federation and the amalgamation of all the other space agencies into Starfleet.
 
Mirror Mirror said:
To me the lesson is, Vulcans should not raise traumatized Human children.
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That's not the Vulcans fault, she's very likely suffering from Brain Damage of some kind given in any normal human the trauma from when she was like 5 or 6 would have been dulled to almost nothingness after 20+ years.
 
Fateor said:
That's not the Vulcans fault, she's very likely suffering from Brain Damage of some kind given in any normal human the trauma from when she was like 5 or 6 would have been dulled to almost nothingness after 20+ years.
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PTSD does not work that way. I knew someone who suppressed it for 22 years then a minor event, a made her just lose it. You can only hold that stuff down for so long, they treated her as a Vulcan child, humans can't really suppress trauma without some really bad side effects. That stuff just does not "fade" of became dulled over time, its there, just waiting for a chance to break out.

I guess that is why I accepted the whole mutiny thing as I saw something very much like it unfold in real life. Not everyone is like that, but long term PTSD sufferers that have suppressed their feelings and walled off the event can do stuff just like this.
 
Mirror Mirror said:
PTSD does not work that way. I knew someone who suppressed it for 22 years then a minor event, a made her just lose it. You can only hold that stuff down for so long, they treated her as a Vulcan child, humans can't really suppress trauma without some really bad side effects. That stuff just does not "fade" of became dulled over time, its there, just waiting for a chance to break out.

I guess that is why I accepted the whole mutiny thing as I saw something very much like it unfold in real life. Not everyone is like that, but long term PTSD sufferers that have suppressed their feelings and walled off the event can do stuff just like this.
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Unless your "friend" was 5 or 6 when the event happened I fail to see how anything you just said has any bearing on the event we are talking about.
 
Fateor said:
Unless your "friend" was 5 or 6 when the event happened I fail to see how anything you just said has any bearing on the event we are talking about.
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You stated trauma went away after 20+ years. It does not. They happen to be 13, but that does not change anything. Vulcans did not deal with her trauma, they told her to ignore and surpess it. This does not work with humans, much less a human child.
 
Mirror Mirror said:
You stated trauma went away after 20+ years. It does not. They happen to be 13, but that does not change anything. Vulcans did not deal with her trauma, they told her to ignore and surpess it. This does not work with humans, much less a human child.
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No, I said "the Trauma from when she was 5 or 6 would have been dulled to almost nothing after 20 years" if you are gonna quote someone at least get it right..
 
Fateor said:
No, I said "the Trauma from when she was 5 or 6 would have been dulled to almost nothing after 20 years" if you are gonna quote someone at least get it right..
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Are you saying the trauma should have been dulled due to her living vulcans for 20 years or because you think PTSD goes away and should have considering the amount of time that has passed?

If it's the former, then no. The vulcans clearly taught Burnham to supress her emotions and not deal with them. Supressing is not the same thing as learning to effectively deal with emotional trauma. If it's the latter, no again. PTSD just doesn't up and leave regardless of how much time has passed. For example victims of childhood sexual abuse have a pretty high rate of commiting suicide in adulthood, often decades after the abuse took place. To use a more relevant example, Pete Davidson from SNL lost his father, who was a firefighter on 9/11. He suffered from PTSD as a result and has now been diagnosed with borderline personality disorder. So yeah, PTSD doesn't just 'dull' as you suggest.
 
Fateor said:
No, I said "the Trauma from when she was 5 or 6 would have been dulled to almost nothing after 20 years" if you are gonna quote someone at least get it right..
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And you are totally wrong, as the poster above me addresses. This stuff does not "dull to almost nothing" that is not how the mind works.
 
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