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News Seth MacFarlane’s The Orville

I believe that gendercide is a quite visible line.

Sure, to us as Humans on a planet with other Humans (mostly). But what happens when you're talking about a whole other species, with it's own culture?

Now, obviously the Moclans may have neglected to tell the Union about this little wrinkle in the "all male species" bit, so we might see fallout later on. Maybe even the explanation about how it came to pass.
 
Now, obviously the Moclans may have neglected to tell the Union about this little wrinkle in the "all male species" bit, so we might see fallout later on. Maybe even the explanation about how it came to pass.

I would think that would be tough to do. Unless all the Union is interested in is collecting checks and soldiers from them.
 
Seth McFarlane has said there's no Prime Directive in the Orville universe.
Oh! Cool. Thanks. I didn't know that. That being said, there's no real mandate that they be held accountable for seeing that other cultures' values be upheld, beyond just courtesy. If they want to interfere, & feel they have grounds to do so, by the fact that this infant was under their protection at the time it was born & since, there's nothing to say otherwise, really.
 
Keep in mind that the Union may not even know that there can be Moclan females.

They don't have an embassy there? No one interacts with the culture? No one has read any of their literature or news?

I find it hard to believe the Union doesn't know. They may look the other way. Much like the Federation must with how the Vulcans have death duels over owning women.
 
I find it hard to believe the Union doesn't know. They may look the other way. Much like the Federation must with how the Vulcans have death duels over owning women.
If there's only one female born every 75 years in a species of billions, it's entirely possible that none of the Moclan ever thought to tell anyone about it. If you met an alien race, would it occur to you to tell them about every uncommon genetic anomaly that might occur to a human being? Would you suddenly start blurting out details regarding Huntington's Disease or Xeroderma Pigmentosum?
 
. He's asking the Captain to choose Moclan values over his own and become complicit in the act.

The Moclan is part of the Union. Is the Union supposed to be some version of the Federation? If so, surely the Captain should have been aware that he was interfering in the cultural practices of his Moclan officer. What if Bortus was repelled or disgusted by some Human cultural practice committed by a Human crewman? Something that was private and personal and not against the laws on Earth. Would he have the right to interfere?

I believe that gendercide is a quite visible line

So . . . people who decide to use a medical procedure to change his or her gender are guilty of gendercide? Is Bruce Jenner guilty? Or what do you mean?
 
Wow! .... too much depressive third episode.
For a comedy show, is a big "wow!".

Sad to hear "I'm getting tired of all of you people decides about my family" ...that almost make me cry :(
 
The Moclan is part of the Union. Is the Union supposed to be some version of the Federation? If so, surely the Captain should have been aware that he was interfering in the cultural practices of his Moclan officer.

According to McFarlane, the Union has no Prime Directive. The Admiralty considers things on a case-by-case basis.

Presumably there needs to be an underlying body of regulation on which they base their judgments.

It's along the lines of, though not identical to, the old skiffy question of what people would do if they were permitted to assign their child's sexual orientation.
 
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So . . . people who decide to use a medical procedure to change his or her gender are guilty of gendercide? Is Bruce Jenner guilty? Or what do you mean?

It cannot be stressed strongly enough that what's done to Topa has nothing to do with her wishes or her own sense of self and personhood. She is not making a choice on her own behalf. It's a decision being made by her parents as a matter of conforming to cultural norms.
 
If there's only one female born every 75 years in a species of billions, it's entirely possible that none of the Moclan ever thought to tell anyone about it. If you met an alien race, would it occur to you to tell them about every uncommon genetic anomaly that might occur to a human being? Would you suddenly start blurting out details regarding Huntington's Disease or Xeroderma Pigmentosum?

It wasn't the Moclans who even mentioned the 1 in 75 years rule, that was the android, so I think we have to assume that that piece of information is not some little known fact that you can only learn by going to their homeworld.
 
If there's only one female born every 75 years in a species of billions, it's entirely possible that none of the Moclan ever thought to tell anyone about it. If you met an alien race, would it occur to you to tell them about every uncommon genetic anomaly that might occur to a human being? Would you suddenly start blurting out details regarding Huntington's Disease or Xeroderma Pigmentosum?
If multitudes of those other races were peoples who routinely accepted the condition as normal, & an equal part of their society, when your society abhors, corrects, or shuns their people who have it, yeah, probably. For example, if I met a species who have hermaphroditism happen all the time, so much so that they unquestioningly considering it a third equally accepted gender, I might say "Hey you know, here's an odd relevant fact. Humans DO have that condition too, but it's really rare & the people with it have a hard time in our society because of it." That race might think it just as outlandish for us to surgically correct people because of it, especially if we did it as a matter of societal norm. Yeah, that seems like something pretty much everyone would find out eventually. Unless the Moclans are new to the Union, I get the feeling a number of folks knew about it before this too, but it's kept on the hush hush
 
I imagine that the Union is full of hundreds of billions of people who don't pay attention to it because it's not happening to them.
I meant mostly fleet command or the governing body, whatever & whoever they are lol

I'm hoping we get more coverage of that, admirals, HQ, other starships of the fleet, etc...
 
So . . . people who decide to use a medical procedure to change his or her gender are guilty of gendercide? Is Bruce Jenner guilty? Or what do you mean?
Okay, what if we weren't talking about gender, but sexual orientation. What if we could detect that a child was born gay and could easily reassign their sexual orientation as a child to make them "straight", and they wouldn't even know unless you told them. After all, members of the LGBT community are actually persecuted. In some places in the world, there's active, organized genecide against gay people. If a NATO soldier from a country that practiced sexual orientation reassignment asked a US vessel to rendezvous with a ship from their nation so such a procedure could be performed, should the US vessel be required to fulfill that request?
It wasn't the Moclans who even mentioned the 1 in 75 years rule, that was the android, so I think we have to assume that that piece of information is not some little known fact that you can only learn by going to their homeworld.
Moclans might mention in passing that females are almost never born, but they may not necessarily discuss what happens to them after they're born.
 
Moclans might mention in passing that females are almost never born, but they may not necessarily discuss what happens to them after they're born.

Worf: We do not discuss it with outsiders.

Another tight lipped species, just less about honor and battle and more about making weapons.
 
I meant mostly fleet command or the governing body, whatever & whoever they are lol

I'm hoping we get more coverage of that, admirals, HQ, other starships of the fleet, etc...
The thing I get the impression a lot of people are missing about this show is that it is not about the future and futuristic society. It's about a group of people who live in the future, though that society isn't much different than our own today. In this respect, the show is more like Star Trek TOS, which was moreso about the characters despite its visual similarity to TNG, which was more about the future and society than it was the characters.
 
They don't have an embassy there? No one interacts with the culture? No one has read any of their literature or news?

I find it hard to believe the Union doesn't know. They may look the other way. Much like the Federation must with how the Vulcans have death duels over owning women.
Even the Moclans who had undergone the operation didn't know about it. It must one of the best kept secret in the Moclan society.
 
The thing I get the impression a lot of people are missing about this show is that it is not about the future and futuristic society. It's about a group of people who live in the future, though that society isn't much different than our own today. In this respect, the show is more like Star Trek TOS, which was moreso about the characters despite its visual similarity to TNG, which was more about the future and society than it was the characters.
That's very true. Even TOS did a little world building though. I don't think much is needed, because of the show's dynamic, like you say, but a kernel here and there goes a long way for setting... At least among the Star Trek fans this show appeals to. Lol
Even the Moclans who had undergone the operation didn't know about it. It must one of the best kept secret in the Moclan society.
They knew about it, that it existed & was a thing their people did. They didn't know that they themselves had been subjected to it, like never telling your kid they're adopted. They still know that adoption exists, & some of them find ways to figure it out on their own too
 
But then, where is the line drawn between rights violations and simple cultural tenets?.
I believe that gendercide is a quite visible line.
Here is where we all consider taking Metalaw 101. I'm sure questions like this are asked all the time in academic circles in anticipation of a time when it's not just talking about a TV show.

Which brings me to an observation about us in this thread. Notice how we ARE talking about these things seriously? How we're not still learning names (like one character in the pilot)? How we really are interested in Bortus and Alara and where they come from? After only 3 episodes, this show has worked its way into our hearts. I think that bodes well.
 
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