News Seth MacFarlane’s The Orville

[JirinPanthosa]

[QUOTE="Ar-Pharazon, post: 12173191, member: 4444]

I wonder when we'll start seeing some crewmen in sickbay after dates with Alara. I don't know about anyone else, but I think it might be worth it.[/QUOTE]

Death by snu-snu?

 

[Push The Button]

The bar seems to be at the back, and Orville's decks have letters, I believe. Perhaps the bar is called F-Rearward?

Ok, you win the thread for this one.

 

[Sophie74656]

I'm a little late to this party, just saw the latest ep over the weekend.weekend. for me personally having grown up being bullied, friendless, and constantly feeling like an outsider I totally understood why they would perform the sex change. I wasn't surprised that they still changed her in the end, I didn't expect that the whole society would suddenly change the way they thought. I did think it was too convenient to find that writer. How did the captain know?

 

[Romulan_spy]

How did the captain know?

I don't think the captain knew specifically that the writer was a female. He was just thinking that there might be Moclan who refused the sex change operation. That is why he asked the crew to perform a planetary scan: to confirm his theory and find the female Moclans in hiding.

 

[Sophie74656]

I don't think the captain knew specifically that the writer was a female. He was just thinking that there might be Moclan who refused the sex change operation. That is why he asked the crew to perform a planetary scan: to confirm his theory and find the female Moclans in hiding.

I just think it was too convenient to find one that happened to be a famous writer.

Perhaps it would have been more effective to have more of the females appear. Especially if they had also made huge contributions to their society

 

[Amaris]

I just think it was too convenient to find one that happened to be a famous writer.

Perhaps it would have been more effective to have more of the females appear. Especially if they had also made huge contributions to their society

"Too convenient" is how TV works.

 

[tharpdevenport]

Death by snu-snu?

Oh, no no -- snu-snu leaves the spirit willing, but the flesh spongy and weak.

Alara make take it clean off.

 

[Bruno]

In TNG timeframe, people would've evolved beyond the need to be a specific game piece!

Or at least they would have developed the technology to make different colored race cars.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Oh, no no -- snu-snu leaves the spirit willing, but the flesh spongy and weak.

Alara make take it clean off.

Spongy? Yaphit could handle her maybe?

 

[Romulan_spy]

Having watched the 2 first episodes of Star Trek Discovery, I am so glad that The Orville is on TV. Discovery looks to be an exciting, high production show but The Orville is fun, old school Trek. I need that.

 

[LJones41]

I don't need "old school Trek". I want something different. This series reeks too much of nostalgia.

As for this latest episode of "The Orville", I have mixed feelings. There was something wrong about this episode. Were the Moclans expected to disregard their culture because they’re part of the Union?

While this episode might be a step forward in regard to gender issues, it strikes me as a step backward in regard to the issue of respecting other cultures, even if you dislike an aspect of it. Since when did the captain of a Union ship had the right to determine what happen to a child of a crew member who was from another culture . . . on that level? The doctor had a right to refuse to operate a sex change procedure on the child. But the captain had no right to prevent his officer and the latter's mate from providing the same medical procedure, if it did not harm the child. Even if the procedure is considered repugnant to others.

This episode smacked of the TOS series in which Kirk tried to occasionally assert Federation values on other various other cultures.

 

[Amaris]

I don't need "old school Trek". I want something different.

As for this latest episode of "The Orville", I have mixed feelings. There was something wrong about this episode. Were the Moclans expected to disregard their culture because they’re part of the Union?
While this episode might be a step forward in regard to gender issues, it strikes me as a step backward in regard to the issue of respecting other cultures, even if you dislike an aspect of it. Since when did the captain of a Union ship had the right to determine what happen to a child of a crew member who was from another culture . . . on that level? This episode smacked of the TOS series in which Kirk tried to assert Federation values on other cultures.

The episode actually deals specifically with that very topic in a discussion between Mercer and Grayson in a lounge scene further along in the episode.

 

[Enterprise1701]

Discovered this series last night and binged the first three episodes. Wow, The Orville is fun TV. I hesitate to call it worthy of Star Trek because I don't think of Trek as McFarlane-style comedy, but wow did The Orville make me feel good.

 

[Mojochi]

This episode smacked of the TOS series in which Kirk tried to occasionally assert Federation values on other various other cultures.

I don't necessarily disagree, & frankly, I don't have a problem with that, if that's how they want to roll. I've been feeling this show was an amalgam of TOS & TNG anyhow, so it stands to reason that they'd mix it up on this aspect too. I think the issue, IIRC, was that the captain was not willing to be party to the procedure in any way, like having a child hatched aboard his ship, and then allowing it to be taken off to have what he considered to be harm done to it. In that aspect, they are a party to it. They provided passage to something they considered wrongful. So that they do some stuff to try to impede it is not altogether unmerited. There's also the fact that Bortus mixed the 1st officer in it by his request of her, etc... It's kind of hard to separate out all the variables at that point, & make a clean break of it, so to stay out of another culture's protected values

 

[Skipper]

As for this latest episode of "The Orville", I have mixed feelings. There was something wrong about this episode. Were the Moclans expected to disregard their culture because they’re part of the Union?

If the Union is something akin the UE, yes, we expect that the various countries respect some shared common values (democracy, human rights, etc)

 

[Prax]

I kind of agree with Mercer's feelings on the subject. Is Bortus' entire planet male because everytime a female is born, they "fix" her? This kind of reminds me of some of the things that have happened in China due to the one child rule. If every family in China could simply change the sex of their child, how many females would be left? I'm sure we've all heard the stories about female babies being tossed aside, left to exposure, or sold in the hopes of having a male child. Now I'm sure the majority of families simply accept the baby girl, but there are many that don't, or haven't.

You get the impression from Bortus and his mate that it's a surprise, but not that much of a surprise. How often is a girl actually born? It could be that whenever this happens, the surgery is conducted immediately, and due to the shame(of bearing forth a female), not spoken about outside of the family.

 

[Mudd]

I don't need "old school Trek". I want something different. This series reeks too much of nostalgia.

Ideally I just want something good. The Orville is good; so far, the current Trek offering is not.

 

[Romulan_spy]

Is Bortus' entire planet male because every time a female is born, they "fix" her?

Yeah, that was my interpretation as well.

This kind of reminds me of some of the things that have happened in China due to the one child rule. If every family in China could simply change the sex of their child, how many females would be left? I'm sure we've all heard the stories about female babies being tossed aside, left to exposure, or sold in the hopes of having a male child. Now I'm sure the majority of families simply accept the baby girl, but there are many that don't, or haven't.

Yeah, there were parallels with China. The Moclans basically saw females as weak and undesirable so they converted them to males. The episode was basically what Communist China would have done if they had the Moclans sex change technology.

What is interesting to me is that the show took the Moclans in a very different direction that what I thought they were going to do from what we saw in the Pilot episode. When we first learn that Moclans are a single gender species, I thought we were going to explore what it means for a species to only have a single unique gender. I also imagined that this single gender might be something uniquely alien and not easily identifiable as a human male or female. But instead, we got a pretty normal two gender species, with male and females much like humans, that just converts one gender into the other, to appear as a single gender species when in reality they are not.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

If the Union is something akin the UE, yes, we expect that the various countries respect some shared common values (democracy, human rights, etc)

But then, where is the line drawn between rights violations and simple cultural tenets? I kinda wish they had delved a little bit into where the Moclan's changing girls into boys thing began. It might get covered somewhere down the line, so not a big deal that they didn't explain it here.

In TNG, Picard "respected" Worf's cultural beliefs and responsibilities, but then had a problem when those things clashed with his Starfleet responsibilities. The Moclan need to "fix" their girl babies wouldn't seem to be at odds with the Union way of life, just distasteful to some.

 

[ChasFink]

If we're expected to take this seriously, I find it VERY hard to believe that the all-male norm was artificially created and imposed, with females being born regularly and almost all given the surgery. (If this IS the case, it would make for another Very Special Episode someday.) As has been speculated earlier, it's likely that Bortus' race, or their genetic ancestors, mutated/evolved in such a way as to make females unnecessary to reproduction, and that the females that are born are more like humans with intersex genitalia, or those born with a tail or webbed fingers.