Why no phaser beams?

[Hey Missy]

Yes, how dare he...

And, I was actually referring to in world, but that's fair.

Spoiler

again, proving my point that no one can say "Gee, I think some elements in nuTrek borrow a little too heavily from the Star Wars universe" without getting met by condescending eyerolling emojis

 

[fireproof78]

Spoiler

again, proving my point that no one can say "Gee, I think some elements in nuTrek borrow a little too heavily from the Star Wars universe" without getting met by condescending eyerolling emojis

My only disagreement is that he borrowed "too much." I roll my eyes because that argument is often followed by how Star Trek was ruined because of it.

I think they struck the right balance of action/adventure spirit of TOS, with a more contemporary style of filmmaking.

 

[Hey Missy]

To be fair, it's Into Darkness that is the least Trek-feeling movie, aesthetics wise. Everything is a sterile, militarized gray or black, and it depicts a pretty dreary future Earth that's been over-industrialized with giant skyscrapers covering every square foot of land. Bleh.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

Kind of like Coruscant. It's okay to admit nuTrek borrowed things from Star Wars. IIRC, the filmmakers compared Trek to classical music and Star Wars to rock 'n roll, and felt the Trek film they were making should have some rock 'n roll in it.

Hence the word, "Sabotage".

 

[fireproof78]

To be fair, it's Into Darkness that is the least Trek-feeling movie, aesthetics wise. Everything is a sterile, militarized gray or black, and it depicts a pretty dreary future Earth that's been over-industrialized with giant skyscrapers covering every square foot of land. Bleh.

Agree to disagree on this point.

 

[Saul]

My only disagreement is that he borrowed "too much." I roll my eyes because that argument is often followed by how Star Trek was ruined because of it.

Yet nobody actually took the argument that far. Nor is anyone saying it ruined Star Trek.

I think they struck the right balance of action/adventure spirit of TOS, with a more contemporary style of filmmaking.

I can partly agree with that, but I think something was lost in the process of that switch over.

 

[fireproof78]

Yet nobody actually took the argument that far. Nor is anyone saying it ruined Star Trek.

Which is fair. I probably shouldn't have anticipated that next argument. Just seen it before.

I can partly agree with that, but I think something was lost in the process of that switch over.

Certainly it is a mileage will vary place in terms of tone and feel. For me, the fact that I can watch it with my dad, who grew up with TOS, and my wife, who can't stand science fiction, is a bit plus for me, and shows a nice balance of tone and feel.

 

[Timo]

Except for Pike's dissertation.

Which Pike himself forgot all about. Can't have amounted to much, then. (Perhaps he copied it from the Internet?)

The pulsing phaser design seems to offer more shots per second

That is, less phaser time per second.

and offset some of the Kelvin's weaknesses.

But we don't see any offsetting. The Kelvin could shoot down 100% of Nero's missiles when those weren't aimed at the Kelvin (but at the shuttles), and used the solid red beam weapons for that. The Enterprise could shoot down 100% of Nero's missiles when those weren't aimed at the Enterprise (but at Spock's ship), and used those pulsed red beams for that.

Neither weapon type helped any against directly incoming missiles.Neither type missed much, either (although the pulses didn't enjoy quite the impeccable 100% hit rate of TNG era solid beams, and were more like the 70% Defiant pulses).

Since the Narada hand't been seen in 20 plus years there was no guarantee that any countermeasure Starfleet put forward would work.

And in those 20 years, other serious threats probably had popped up, and not all of them need have popped down again... Surely if Starfleet adjusted its hardware or doctrine according to threat, it would already have forgotten all about Nero?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[fireproof78]

Which Pike himself forgot all about. Can't have amounted to much, then. (Perhaps he copied it from the Internet?)

He didn't forget-he operated under the assumption that the rest of the Starfleet brass did.

That is, less phaser time per second.

Perhaps less danger of a coolant leak?

But we don't see any offsetting. The Kelvin could shoot down 100% of Nero's missiles when those weren't aimed at the Kelvin (but at the shuttles), and used the solid red beam weapons for that. The Enterprise could shoot down 100% of Nero's missiles when those weren't aimed at the Enterprise (but at Spock's ship), and used those pulsed red beams for that.

Neither weapon type helped any against directly incoming missiles.Neither type missed much, either (although the pulses didn't enjoy quite the impeccable 100% hit rate of TNG era solid beams, and were more like the 70% Defiant pulses).

Those are fair points.

And in those 20 years, other serious threats probably had popped up, and not all of them need have popped down again... Surely if Starfleet adjusted its hardware or doctrine according to threat, it would already have forgotten all about Nero?

Timo Saloniemi

Another fair point, which makes me wonder if it was part a response to the Narada, which is significant, seeing as how the Federation had a war with the Romulan Empire. In addition it may have been developed in response to the Klingon threat, as noted by Admiral Marcus in ST ID. Or, a combination of the two (or more) threats.