Attended the premiere - no spoilers

[Ensign Ogahd Ahmganadai]

What

He can't cope with the idea that the ships of that era didn't look like the plastic, pillowy Constitution class as shown in TOS. We are dealing with a man so literal-minded that he thinks that TAS had the characters literally become cartoons for two years, and therefore he can't consider it canon because that's just too weird.

Yeah, that is just too weird. Because animation format doesn't mean it literally turned animated in-universe.

 

[uniderth]

What

Me no see veeeeery famous First Warp Five Akiraprise.

Spoiler: But...

I do see a damn fine pair of legs. YEOWZA!

Yeah, that is just too weird. Because animation format doesn't mean it literally turned animated in-universe.

No, that just further supports the idea that in TAS what we see ON SCREEN is not the same as what happened IN UNIVERSE.

 

[Ensign Ogahd Ahmganadai]

Me no see very famous First Warp Five Akiraprise.

You know what else I don't see?

The sloop, the Brig, the second and third schooner, the Barque-rigged Screw sloop, the Motorboat patrol, the Enterprise-class AC and the Gerald R. Ford-class AC.

Do you know why I don't see these?

Because this isn't supposed to be every ship that ever used the name "Enterprise". That's not even what Decker says. He just says "all these ships were named Enterprise".

No, that just further supports the idea that in TAS what we see ON SCREEN is not the same as what happened IN UNIVERSE.

Exactly. So it's perfectly reasonable to suggest that TOS would have looked different if you could have seen the ship, interior and exterior, in real life.

 

[Longinus]

Me no see veeeeery famous First Warp Five Akiraprise.

It's on another wall.

 

[Campe]

It’s a fictional universe consisting of over 700 hours of entertainment across TV and movies created over five decades by dozens if not hundreds of writers. It is an amazing feat the damned thing holds up as well as it does. But expecting everything to fit perfectly? Well, that’s just naive.

 

[Noname Given]

Me no see veeeeery famous First Warp Five Akiraprise.

^^^
That's because you showed a clip from the pan&scan version of ST:TMP

Spoiler: Spoiler

Yeah, okay - No, not really, yeah it ain't there

 

[Ensign Ogahd Ahmganadai]

It's on another wall.

Never heard that explanation before, but it's as good as any other. I generally just mentally add it. It's a fictional universe, after all, and not everything is going to fit together.

 

[uniderth]

You know what else I don't see?

The sloop, the Brig, the second and third schooner, the Barque-rigged Screw sloop, the Motorboat patrol, the Enterprise-class AC and the Gerald R. Ford-class AC.

Do you know why I don't see these?

Because this isn't supposed to be every ship that ever used the name "Enterprise". That's not even what Decker says. He just says "all these ships were named Enterprise".

Yep, and of course we're going to leave out our most famous historical exploration ship in favor of some unknown mystery ship. Riiiiight....

Even if we grant that there are missing ships(which is not an unreasonable things to do), there is no good reason for placing the mystery ship on the list instead of the famous one.

If you were to create a list of the five (top/best known/most influential/most representative) presidents of the United States would you include Chester A. Arthur over Abraham Lincoln? Of course not.

Exactly. So it's perfectly reasonable to suggest that TOS would have looked different if you could have seen the ship, interior and exterior, in real life.

Ah, but I was pointing out that we agree that what is seen on screen in TAS is not the same as what is "real" in universe. However, I don't make the same claim for the live action series, because they are a live action series and thus probably a pretty close (minus a few production errors) approximation.

It's on another wall.

The wall of ships named Enterprise that never existed?

 

[Ensign Ogahd Ahmganadai]

Yep, and of course we're going to leave out our most famous historical exploration ship in favor of some unknown mystery ship. Riiiiight....

Even if we grant that there are missing ships(which is not an unreasonable things to do), there is no good reason for placing the mystery ship on the list instead of the famous one.

If you were to create a list of the (top five/best known/most influential) presidents of the United States would you include Chester A. Arthur over Abraham Lincoln? Of course not.

I once wrote a fix fic that took place at the end of the refit. Scotty berates the quartermaster for getting the wrong fresco for the rec room. "Aye, well. We cannae replace the bloody thing now. Have to do it before we leave Spacedock though."

See, you can justify almost anything.

 

[uniderth]

I once wrote a fix fic that took place at the end of the refit. Scotty berates the quartermaster for getting the wrong fresco for the rec room. "Aye, well. We cannae replace the bloody thing now. Have to do it before we leave Spacedock though."

See, you can justify almost anything.

Sure you can. But it's a needless justification.

 

[USS Triumphant]

If you were to create a list of the five (top/best known/most influential/most representative) presidents of the United States would you include Chester A. Arthur over Abraham Lincoln? Of course not.

Who said those were supposed to be the top/best known/most influential/most representative? Like someone said, maybe there's another wall (or more). In which case, I wouldn't put all the best on one wall - I'd spread them across all the walls, so people look at the whole display.

And also, yes, I *would* include Chester A. Arthur over Lincoln. Most people aren't allowed to know about Arthur's role in repelling an invasion from Atlantis, but it was MUCH more important than the Civil War.

 

[Noname Given]

I once wrote a fix fic that took place at the end of the refit. Scotty berates the quartermaster for getting the wrong fresco for the rec room. "Aye, well. We cannae replace the bloody thing now. Have to do it before we leave Spacedock though."

See, you can justify almost anything.

The YATI (Yet Another Star trek Inconsistency) explanation most fans had was:
"It's a changing display (IE the monitor screens there cycle through various shots of various 'Enterprise' ship throughout history.) Dekker and Ilia just hit the display at a time when the NX-01 wasn't on one of the monitors."

 

[Ensign Ogahd Ahmganadai]

Sure you can. But it's a needless justification.

I would be more concerned about it if it wasn't coming from someone who considers every justification needless.

 

[Ensign Ogahd Ahmganadai]

That's even better.

The YATI (Yet Another Star trek Inconsistency) explanation most fans had was:
"It's a changing display (IE the monitor screens there cycle through various shots of various 'Enterprise' ship throughout history.) Dekker and Ilia just hit the display at a time when the NX-01 wasn't on one of the monitors."

 

[MvRojo]

Those ships seemed like something important to Decker to have him point it out. Since he was the captain, maybe he just picked those ships since they're his favorites.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Me no see veeeeery famous First Warp Five Akiraprise.

Spoiler: But...

I do see a damn fine pair of legs. YEOWZA!

No, that just further supports the idea that in TAS what we see ON SCREEN is not the same as what happened IN UNIVERSE.

You know what I've always loved about the inclusion of the Space Shuttle in that display? The fact that then-President Gerald Ford stated that the Space Shuttle test-bed vehicle name came from the ship on the TV show -- not any previous real-life ships.

So Star Trek including the shuttle Enterprise in a list of ships named Enterprise was self-referential. It was (in a way) "breaking the fourth wall".

 

[Search4]

Two questions:
Barring a visual reboot (of yourse it's not going to look like a 60s tv-show), but regarding the content of what was shown:

1) Does it fit narratively with TOS? (Aka, is the univers a "pre-TOS"-one, without Romulans running around etc.)
2) Does it fit with the TNG-era shows? (Those which went much further in the lore/redid some stuff, like the klingons)

And finally:
3) Which previous Trek-series would you describe it to be the closest to?

Great questions. Only a two parter in though—

1) so far.
2) well there are many opinions about the adversaries looks... otherwise so far a fit
3) DS9. Will discuss after airing.

 

[starmike]

Were stardates mentioned? Not a big deal to me, but curious how they were handled with a -10 year gap.

 

[Search4]

Were stardates mentioned? Not a big deal to me, but curious how they were handled with a -10 year gap.

Missed stardate - sorry! - but an actual date was mentioned.

 

[Ensign Ogahd Ahmganadai]

Missed stardate - sorry! - but an actual date was mentioned.

2256?