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David Mack is GUSHING about it...this should settle it

I hope he's right, but this doesn't remotely "settle" anything. It's one person's opinion.

That's not going to convince even those going in with an open mind, let alone those who are already set against it.
 
Guys, David Mack is praising Discovery to the Celestial Temple and back. He's seen more than any of us have. He isn't judging it by trailers and interviews. He knows what he's talking about and he's thrilled.

This should end any debate among Trek fans as to whether the show is going to be any good and/or honor the canon and spirit of the original. David Mack isn't just some writer; he's a fan, and a fan who knows his Trek.

Now, this is where some nay-sayers will say that Mack is "just trying to keep his job" to which I answer, "What job?" He doesn't work on the show. And while he's the man who wrote the first DSC tie-in novel, he's not the only one who ever will write one (Dayton Ward is writing the second) nor is he obligated to praise the show like this just because he writes Trek novels. He had no prompting to say what he said other than the oppressing negativity he was seeing on social media. And if he agreed with it but still wanted to be able to write for it, he simply would have kept his mouth shut.

Sure, there have been times writers and producers praised something they knew wasn't deserving because they were trying to hold on to the work. But several factors would be in play there that aren't in play here. First, such people worked on those shows and if the show failed, they'd be out of a job. This isn't the case for Mack. Whatever happens to DSC, Mack has plenty else to write about, both within and without the Trek franchise. Second, you can generally tell when a person who works on the show is praising it just because they have to. There seems to be no real excitement or joy in what they're saying; it seems like hollow words, even if you only see them written. For example, I never believed Brannon Braga was genuinely excited to be working on ENT.

David Mack knows more than any of us, and he loves what he knows. Star Trek: Discovery is going to rock. Case closed.

You lost me at Tie-in novel. Of course he will praise the show.....
 
I hope he's right, but this doesn't remotely "settle" anything. It's one person's opinion.

That's not going to convince even those going in with an open mind, let alone those who are already set against it.
No, sadly. Even watching the show probably won't settle it.
 
IMO, David's post on page 7 clears up the issue of any incentive Mack may have to exaggerate his positiveness about the show. Christopher's post addresses the question of what Mack may "really" think of the show. Mack had no incentive to lie in a private conversation.

So for me, I really believe Mack objectively thinks DSC is great. Of course I won't know about this for sure until I see it for myself, but Mack.s tweets have me very excited.

BTW, and I agree with all who have complimented Mack's writing. His short story in the Glass Mirrors (I think that was the book's title) compilation, a short story that starts at the point that Mirror Kirk returns to the Mirror Ent at the end of Mirror Mirror, is one of the best sci fi short stories I have ever read. His opinions on Trek carrys weight, to me.
 
How is that any different from Netflix or Hulu original series, or HBO or Showtime series? It's not some unique aberration, it's an increasingly normal paradigm for television.

Besides, we've always had to pay to see Star Trek movies. Or to own the series on home video. And since Star Trek aired on the BBC in the UK, that means British viewers have always had to pay a license fee in order to see it. So it's not that new.

I broadly agree with what you're saying, but I do get where some of the irritation at CBS All-Access comes from.

Basically, people are willing to fork over money for a subscription to Netflix, or Hulu, or HBO, because there is a wide variety of content. Particularly with Netflix, the sheer variety of content from different studios is what makes it appealing. Same principle at work with HBO, to a lesser extent -- yeah, HBO and Netflix both have original programing, but it's the variety of content licensed from various studios that really seals the deal and gives value to them in most peoples' eyes.

With CBSAA, the problem is that there isn't a wide variety of content. Or, rather, there is -- but it's only content from the CBS library. So, sure, you'll get plenty of old-timey sitcoms or whatnot, but right now you're only getting two original shows (The Good Fight and Star Trek: Discovery). To a lot of people, that's just not enough to warrant paying roughly the same amount as Netflix or HBO when both carry content from a lot of different sources.

And ultimately, I think that this idea of each studio having its own streaming service dedicated to its particular library is not gonna survive. CBSAA and Disney's streaming service may last for a while, but ultimately I think having a streaming service dedicated to one particular studio library makes about as much sense as opening a video rental store that only carried movies from one particular studio would have back in the '90s. (You had Blockbuster Video carrying VHSes from all different studios; you didn't have the 20th Century Fox Video Rental, and the Disney Video Rental, and the Paramount Pictures Video Rental, etc.) Value comes from variety, which means that ultimately the real value in streaming services is gonna come from firms for whom streaming is what they do, rather than firms having an in-house streaming subsidiary.

My guess is that either CBSAA will have to change its business model and start licensing content from other studios to maintain its subscription numbers, or that it'll limp along (basically carried by Star Trek: Discovery single-handedly) and then die out once DSC is over.

You lost me at Tie-in novel. Of course he will praise the show.....

Nah. If he thought the show weren't good, he'd just sit back and say nothin'. It's highly improbable the DSC book will ever earn back the advance, and even if it does, it's highly improbable it'll ever earn him more than the equivalent of a trip to Starbucks or two every couple of months. He has no meaningful financial incentive to speak out so strongly. If he's saying it, it's cos he believes it.
 
He's one of my favorite authors. Section 31: Control is one of the best Star Trek Novels i ever read. I trust his word. Can't wait anymore!!!
 
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Again, and I'm getting fucking tired of repeating this...HE HAS NO RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PRODUCTION. HE'S JUST WRITING A TIE-IN NOVEL.

Well then stop repeating it. Throwing tantrums isn't going to change people's opinions about things. You seem to be having fits because people disagree with you and you feel the need to have the last word on the subject.
 
Ah yes, now we see the true intentions.
Mack will have lots of product whatever happens to Desperate Hours. He's been writing Trek novels for decades, plus he writes other series as well. It's not like one book he wrote is for a show that nobody likes so his brand value goes down. That doesn't happen.


You "look forward" to that? So you're rooting for the show to fail?


Until you have, why leap to believe the negative and refuse to believe the positive? Especially since those being negative don't know any more than you do and those being positive know quite a bit more?


Says the guy who's really hoping that soon a person in the know comes forward and admits it sucks.
 
This thread is awesome.

Bottom line: some guy who has insider knowledge and knows enough about Trek to have written novels and episodes really likes what he's seen from the new show.

There's nothing else going on here folks. Everyone go back to your usual pre-conceptions and engrained opinions.
 
This thread is awesome.

Bottom line: some guy who has insider knowledge and knows enough about Trek to have written novels and episodes really likes what he's seen from the new show.

There's nothing else going on here folks. Everyone go back to your usual pre-conceptions and engrained opinions.
/thread :D

Well then stop repeating it. Throwing tantrums isn't going to change people's opinions about things. You seem to be having fits because people disagree with you and you feel the need to have the last word on the subject.
Why should they stop? There has been no indication that the doom and gloom predictions are going to stop.
 
Because the OP, whom I quoted, said "Again, and I'm getting fucking tired of repeating this..."

Personally, when I get fucking tired of doing something, I fucking stop doing it. :)
I don't insist everyone agree with me. I get irritated when people keep making the same false argument after it's been disproved.

David Mack is not involved in the show's production, and has plenty of other books to sell, not at all dependent on his one DSC tie-in doing well.
 
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