What are shows set in the sixties, Alex?
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Naren Shankar, the Executive Producer of the Expanse was a writer and science consultant for TNG, DS9 and VOY.
There's always this preconception that any current youthful generation is the worst, with no patience for old timey-ness.
I've always liked old time stuff, even when I was youthful
Damn it! You can't escape them!!!!!Naren Shankar, the Executive Producer of the Expanse was a writer and science consultant for TNG, DS9 and VOY.
Love that show!
Mad Men is set in the 60's.
It doesn't look like it was filmed in the 60's.
It looks like a show filmed using modern technology with modern camera and acting techniques that is ABOUT the 1960's.
Star Trek is the exact opposite. It wasn't meant to be a nostalgic look back but an optimistic look forward. The look and feel of TOS wasn't part of some grand vision of the future. It was just the best they could do at the time.
Even Roddenberry wouldn't want you to stick to 60's visuals or aesthetics if you didn't have to.
It doesn't look like it was filmed in the 60's.
It looks like a show filmed using modern technology with modern camera and acting techniques that is ABOUT the 1960's.
Star Trek is the exact opposite. It wasn't meant to be a nostalgic look back but an optimistic look forward. The look and feel of TOS wasn't part of some grand vision of the future. It was just the best they could do at the time.
Even Roddenberry wouldn't want you to stick to 60's visuals or aesthetics if you didn't have to.
Exactly. Afterall, why would anyone?
Roddenberry didn't stick to 2260s visuals, he moved on to 2280s and 2290s visuals.
They didn't update Kirks uniform, or the Klingon make-up in Trial and Tribblelations.
They didn't update Kirks uniform, or the Klingon make-up in Trial and Tribblelations.
Because that was a nostalgic fan service episode for the anniversary, and because of the technique used, they couldn't alter the original shots very much. That's a very different thing than starting a brand new show designed to attract it's own audience.
I suspect their choice for a series set around the time of Kirk and Spock has something to do with the last three movies being set in that era. They're fresh in everyone's minds, whereas Voyager ended 16 years ago.
I've heard this argument before (Gene Roddenberry himself said it no less) and I partially agree with it except that star trek isn t our future, they had a nuclear war in the 21st century (I think) so it isn't our future. Anything in our future which ends up looking like star trek is a star trek reference.
Look at Doctor Who, because it dosen't make prequels and it's always going forward, it works, despite being based on a 60s show, and the only time they really disrespected the rules laid down in the 60s was in the 1996 tv movie, and that wasn't made by the beeb so they didn't have all of the lore available to them, but they still had a 6 sides tardis console, that's the sets, the doctor's tardis has always had 6 sides, that was made in the 60s and it continues today.
So why couldn't cbs respect the makers of tos, they could've given it a bit of a tmp look and we wouldn't really have minded. They could even have set it where no tv show has gone before and set it in the 80s movie era and we'd have got the great ships and the great uniforms. But the money crazed folks at cbs don't seem to even know that there are other versions of trek besides tos and jjtos.
Funny how George Lucas kept going back to the well decades later to modernize A New Hope again and again.
Although, the costumes and technology is fairly constant through out Star Wars, even as blue screen got better and then replaced with cgi, and then better cgi, one might even question if it's a dead end society on the trash heap atrophying because the fashion industry is dead.
I was talking to my girlfriend last night, who only got into Star Trek maybe 5 years ago, feeling some distance, since it's more likely that what she saw was the Remastered CGI Star Trek the original series, which was not available when I was a boy, where I lived.
(The DVDs gave her a choice, and she picked original format, we are the same, simpatico, soulmates, yippy..)
Try the 60's Doctor Who Dalek movies, starring a human (played by Peter Cushing, no less) actually named Who.
Look at merchandise sales: TOS outsells everything else by a huge margin. There's casual interest there, wider than tying into DS9 or Voyager's version of the Trek world.
Yes, they want money. They're making something that'll appeal to as many people as possible, rather than something that'll mean an awful lot to a very small group.
What a strange example. Doctor Who is a great example of a show that has moved with the times. It has created a narrative device that allows it to recast and redesign its sets whenever it needs to. They retain certain visual cues (like Star Trek does) but change a lot to make it modern for the time it's being made. It's part of the reason the show is so enduring. It's anything but an example of being stuck in the sixties.
Noels house party was set in the Doctor Who universe. There's evidence.
When we saw the first Doctor and Susan leave Gallifrey in Season 8 recently, it was both black/white, and then colourized.
Wow, it looks like they filmed Clara in black and white, and then colourized her so that the grafted footage would match.
Wow, it looks like they filmed Clara in black and white, and then colourized her so that the grafted footage would match.
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Chicken and the egg. Next to no non TOS, non TNG, merchandise is produced. What is mostly produced (ignoring the books) is tat. Pizza cutters. Dressing gowns. Rubbish T shirts. Badly designed phone cases. Tat. Any prestige merchandise covers the whole of the franchise (starship collection, diamond select...which really only does the movies...model kits.) yeah, you can't buy quarks bar shot glasses, but which sane person, even the biggest Trek fan, actually buys that stuff for themselves? That exists to give relatives some shite to buy the casual SF fan or Trek fan in the family.
Over in the multi billion industry that is video games, the only games making money are Cross franchise now (STO and Timelines.) All the merch that matters embraces the whole franchise. Abrams Trek is an utter merchandising bomb to the general public. TOS, on a worldwide scale, is not the most important Trek. Go to cosplayers....Data cosplayers, in first contact uniform, were all over twitter during the recent cons. People wear 'current' era uniforms as much as TOS, probably more in Europe, unless they are simply going with off-the-shelf stuff (in which case, it's the awful range of TOS tshirts and dresses.) they even wear STO uniforms (the bleeding edge of Trek fashion technically) and a couple of Ilias from TMP even show.
This idea that TOS IS THE ONLY TREK (TM) is marketing and baby boomer 'nothing new happened in music since 197x' thinking, marketing at that. TNG is synthwave, DS9 is grunge, VOY is house and techno. It happened, younger people saw it.
Netflix trending Trek over here is almost never TOS. It's later stuff, because that's what's been in constant circulation. Dark Matter (may it be picked up.) was chock full of TNG era Trek as its touchstone...the Android was Data and Seven, not the Spock character that older SF series would have as its touchstone. The Captain figures owe more to Janeway and Sisko than they do to Kirk, and they are usually full ensemble pieces, not the triumvirate of TOS. There is always a Dominon or a Borg influenced set up, even a section 31 (which owes as much to x files nineties SF on TV) and the influence of that era of Trek is stronger in modern SF than the influence of TOS was in the SF of the seventies and eighties.
Watch any current SF series, and you can see the influences everywhere.
Heck...the names behind nineties Trek are working everywhere now...Wolff, Behr, Moore, Fuller, Shankar....they had to unfreeze Meyer for DIS to get their TOS link.
I guarantee DIS is going to resemble nineties Trek somewhere more than TOS, and then there's The Orville.
The nineties happened people, whether you liked them or not. XD
But it changes via moving on and forwards, not by saying that the horrible series 5 TARDIS interior (for example) is from the same era as William Hartnell's one.
90s trek is great, and so why can't we have 2010s trek set 20 odd years after 90s trek?
I presume you're referring to "Dimensions in time"
They don't count
Sorry for double post btw.
My argument is pro 2010s Trek set after nineties Trek.
it's the idea we should always go back to TOS as it's most popular, leading to DIS as prequel, that I find disingenuous.And yes xD DiT with in character (mostly) Pertwee, and the fact that Mister Blobby is clearly a cyberman having an odd mutation. Listen to the poor pained Telosian speak. Of course...since there were those at home moments, and Celebes of the day, this means Doctor Who and Eastenders are real, with pocket dimensions explaining why Walford has about as much in common with the East End of London as it does The Matrix on Gallifrey. Which means that in the whoniverse, Doctor Who as a fictional narrative exists, which via The Gallifrey Chronicles and the NA, means we all live in a Klein Bottle.
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