I think TOS was. I tend to think the spinoffs slowly started moving to the right. Especially when they portrayed humanity as this great thing and everyone should be like us.
Discovery tackles current political divide
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I think TOS was. I tend to think the spinoffs slowly started moving to the right. Especially when they portrayed humanity as this great thing and everyone should be like us.
I'm not the one who said it, the producers did. It is a fifteen part story.
Totally fair. I personally found it "fun" even when the spinoffs went for social issues, but I can see how something like the Xindi arc might not be somebody's cup of tea.
I seriously doubt that we'll see anything as dark or cynical as House of Cards or Black Mirror, though. Trek doesn't have a problem with dishing out a bleak moment (the moment where Lokai and Bele find their planet totally devastated is still sobering to me), but it doesn't typically live there.
One statement that does not tell us everything. People need to the chill the fuck out.
Really? Whose upset besides you? We're just talking about a TV series.
Your calling me upset for being excited? that's...bizarre. I look forward to this series more with each new thing that comes out, and the only thing that dampens that, that is "bleak, dark and grim" is the reaction of the other fans when it happens.
Trump is not literally going to be in this series, neither is 21st century Earth or the Republicans. It's going to be an allegory, and to what extent is known only to those who made the show.
Trek is left leaning and always has been, Discovery is happening in a very polarised political period of history, and when that happens Trek usual follows. The show was always going to have some commentary on it.
The doom and gloom of people wanting to not watch the show over something inevitable and not worth abandoning it over is perplexing and kind of sad really.
If you think this is what it's about, I don't think you've been paying attention. From the beginning it was all about "coming together", "understanding each other", learning the Klingons "aren't the enemy" etc, all typical Trek stuff.
"I feel like one of the themes we are exploring is universal and is a lesson I feel like as human beings we have to learn over and over again – is you think you know ‘the other,’ but you really don’t. You have to sort of cognitively re-frame or break or deviate from your own point of view to really understand. You have to forget what you knew before.
One of the big steps in that journey is how to understand yourself. You have to understand yourself before you can better see others. The show is called “Discovery” and it is called “Discovery” for a reason, because our characters are on a journey."
"We are also talking about not only war, but something that is really bubbling up in the United States right now, isolationism. Our country has so many different philosophies. Do we extend a hand? Do we shut it down? And that is also two viewpoints that are being expressed. The Klingons are not necessarily the Russians anymore. The Klingons – I think we will see far more in, frankly, people in the United States and different factions in the United States.
And that is not to say they are bad, but what we really wanted to do too is understand two differing points of view and really explore it. And I think when people look at the Klingons – I frankly love what they represent. Not in terms necessarily of all the messaging, but in terms of learning about them and learning why they are who they are and making sure they aren’t just the enemy.
And then finding a way to come together. How do we bring everyone back together? What do we do? What does it take? It is a big challenge for us, but that is what season one is all about."
T'Kumva is almost definitely inspired by Trump, but I doubt we'll see anything overtly anti-Trump. If anything, it's anti-division itself. And assuming the writers are competent, the story and characters will be expanded into something that stands on its own rather than being a carbon copy of present day politics and politicians.
You're the one telling people to chill the fuck out.
Not seeing a lot of "doom and gloom". We're talking about possible ways the series could go and what our reactions to it might be. You're talking to someone that has already signed up for the commercial-free CBS All-Access. I have my reservations, I think most folks do.
Just circle-jerking each other over Discovery would get pretty dull, pretty quick.
Exactly, the trailers have been leaning towards Starfleet rediscovering its core message and not letting themselves be overwhelmed by their worse traits in dealing with the new Klingon threat.
They did say the Klingons would be more nuanced, and based on the novel they mentioned this week. I think we can count on something more substantial and abstract than the literal play for play some people seem to be fearing.
First of all, the reductavist tactic of implying anger thing is older than I am, so please. Some in here really do need to. That's not my issue.
And it's not "circle jerking" for us to be enjoying the idea of the show. Immediately condeming it for something people knew far too well it would be doing to be sour and dismissive however, is extremely dull everytime.
No one has done that, so...
Several people here have posted that if it has commentary based on the current climate, they won't watch. Scroll up and look.
I think it was the other way around, there were still definite conservative messages in TOS and STNG didn't really have any. The one world united idea is anathema to the right wing.
RAMA
I think it depends how it plays. If it is fifteen weeks of it, it will get tedious.
Only two-and-a-half weeks to go.
TNG was the one to start the "you need to be like us (America)" stuff that runs throughout modern Trek.
I mean, The Orville is getting massacered in reviews already, and it's trying to incorperate social commentary in every episode so far. And no one is giving up on it and declaring their intentions to watch it and make up their own minds.
Trek, a known franchise for such commentary and in this turbulant time, is ready to tackle it too, and people can't jump ship fast enough.
I guess Family Guy fart jokes appeal more.
Trek, a known franchise for such commentary and in this turbulant time, is ready to tackle it too, and people can't jump ship fast enough.
I guess Family Guy fart jokes appeal more.
Expressing reservations doesn't mean people are ready to jump ship.
This is exactly how I feel about both shows right now...
Waiting to see how things shake out doesn't equate to jumping ship.
Nah..the UFP is the UN and the right hates the UN. Simple as that. It doesn't equate at all.
The UFP is the USA, and always has been.
