Exactly; we don't have to be quite so literal all the time. Burnham's just following and talking, and ends up meeting her own footsteps, thinking Georgiou has got lost, but no- dramatic reveal - it's a delta!
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It seemed to me that what was happening was:
Georgiou and Burnham are out of contact with the USS Shenzhou, so the captain paces out a delta large enough to be seen from orbit - at which point it is seen on sensors by the orbiting crew, and the Shenzhou breaks the layer of interference, to transport them up.
Georgiou and Burnham are out of contact with the USS Shenzhou, so the captain paces out a delta large enough to be seen from orbit - at which point it is seen on sensors by the orbiting crew, and the Shenzhou breaks the layer of interference, to transport them up.
Yes, that occurred to me too. The only reason the ship would need to come that close to the surface to retrieve them is if there's signal interference.
It's a good practical excuse for what would have otherwise been a strange decision to show off the ship
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Maybe I am the only one but I am a bit concerned that I lik the "old" CG scene of the Shenzhou breaking through the clouds much better then the new version. I like the color scheme from the trailer shot much more. And maybe it is more realistic to show the ship unclear because of the sand storm, but the clearer trailer scene is a much better introduction of the Shenzhou.
I'd have been happy with any level of visual fakery, and if more complex = more expensive and this somehow hurts the show, that's not cool. But I like pretty, and what we have is pretty.
The scene is cute, but with obvious problems inherent in trying to make cute. If the ship can't sense the heroes with her fine machinery otherwise, how could she spot the delta? There's a sandstorm raging and all - visual cues would be the most futile of all.
We don't know whether the landing party needs to convey "Here we are!" or "Pick us up now!", though. The ship could and should have a pretty good idea of where the two are, but it might not have occurred to them up there that the party wants to beam up. In that case, though, Georgiou should just wave her arms - surely that would be more or less as visible to orbit as the delta?
No point in speculating in detail, tho, as we're bound to get a preceding bit of dialogue setting up the situation. Although not necessarily a long one - it's perfectly possible this is the very first scene in the entire show.
Timo Saloniemi
The scene is cute, but with obvious problems inherent in trying to make cute. If the ship can't sense the heroes with her fine machinery otherwise, how could she spot the delta? There's a sandstorm raging and all - visual cues would be the most futile of all.
We don't know whether the landing party needs to convey "Here we are!" or "Pick us up now!", though. The ship could and should have a pretty good idea of where the two are, but it might not have occurred to them up there that the party wants to beam up. In that case, though, Georgiou should just wave her arms - surely that would be more or less as visible to orbit as the delta?
No point in speculating in detail, tho, as we're bound to get a preceding bit of dialogue setting up the situation. Although not necessarily a long one - it's perfectly possible this is the very first scene in the entire show.
Timo Saloniemi
Still no decent footage of the Discovery itself yet. I wonder if it's undergone another rethink? Fingers crossed for a nacelle style more like those on ENT or frankly even the Kelvin movies... rather than those Jem'Hadar things on the Shenzhou.
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I find that very unlikely.
Yes, I suppose I realise that. It would be like asking for the Klingons to be flying around in Matt Jeffries' designed D-7s.
I wasn't talking about that, I meant specifically that they're not hiding it because they're redesigning. The design is finished.
The Discovery's nacelles don't look like the Shenzhou's, so you're good.
I'm pretty sure that's what most people are assuming.
I'm pretty sure that you are correct.I'm pretty sure that's what most people are assuming.
So, basically, they have communicators but the communicators can't reach orbit for some reason. And yet, the Shenzhou can see a little stamped-out delta shield from orbit despite what is shown to be a completely opaque cloud cover or sandstorm of some sort?
@Tosk - I worried maybe I was stating the obvious, but people were talking about different interpretations on the previous page, so I thought I'd say anyway.
@Serveaux - Yep, say that there was interference preventing the ship from knowing whixh of the planet's inhabitants were their crew - Georgiou might quickly improvise a Starfleet delta to show the orbiting ship whixh one they are.
@Serveaux - Yep, say that there was interference preventing the ship from knowing whixh of the planet's inhabitants were their crew - Georgiou might quickly improvise a Starfleet delta to show the orbiting ship whixh one they are.
If you Cannot hear because of noise (interference on the communicators from the dust storm or whatever is up, you are likely to still be able to see, so you would use hand gesture or symbols...a starships sensors, even rudimentary things like heat etc, can still see...the Delta is a we are here that works.
It's clear what lies ahead of us. We need to know the background of this no doubt utterly noncrucial, merely character-introducing scene before we can tell whether it makes Trek sense. And not in the sense of whether the writers wrote a sensible Trek scene, either - we need to find the loopholes that allow the silly scene to work despite obvious problems.
Why does the Franklin need to fall off a cliff when she has engines capable of lifting her off to space? The writers didn't know - but they inserted some doubletalk about "stabilizers" needing "velocity", and we can now assume that the wings of the ship (the broad pylons) are an essential gravity-fighting mechanism in this primitive ship, while the mighty space engines don't work too well inside an atmosphere (references from DS9 to back this up). Or whatever.
The point being, some scenes allow for "whatever". Others are too silly for that. This one might still have some hope.
(The other point being, Georgiou obviously had nothing riding on this. She clearly knew her trick would work - she probably had done this many times before. And if it didn't, there didn't appear to be any danger as such. It's just a fun moment for the know-all CO, and she may be applying a survival trick that doesn't actually fit this situation very well, but doesn't have to, either.)
Timo Saloniemi
Why does the Franklin need to fall off a cliff when she has engines capable of lifting her off to space? The writers didn't know - but they inserted some doubletalk about "stabilizers" needing "velocity", and we can now assume that the wings of the ship (the broad pylons) are an essential gravity-fighting mechanism in this primitive ship, while the mighty space engines don't work too well inside an atmosphere (references from DS9 to back this up). Or whatever.
The point being, some scenes allow for "whatever". Others are too silly for that. This one might still have some hope.
(The other point being, Georgiou obviously had nothing riding on this. She clearly knew her trick would work - she probably had done this many times before. And if it didn't, there didn't appear to be any danger as such. It's just a fun moment for the know-all CO, and she may be applying a survival trick that doesn't actually fit this situation very well, but doesn't have to, either.)
Timo Saloniemi
I thought the two of them were walking to a pre-arranged beam out point, and that she carved the delta as a calling card for the locals before leaving?
We can see the sun shining on Georgiou and Burnham for at least part of their walk in the desert, so I don't think it should be assumed that a sandstorm was completely covering everything. Maybe the dust cloud from which the ship emerged was localized.
It's made from footprints on sand. Not exactly a permanent medium. Burnham wouldn't have said she thought they were going in circles if they were going to a planned destination. She thought they were lost and had accidentally backtracked.
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