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[JD]

StarTrek.com has posted both the CBS This Morning Segment, and SMG's Tonight Show segment, which featured a different clip.
I really enjoyed both clips, and had no problem with the writing or acting.
Has anybody heard anything about who's voicing the new Starfleet computers?

 

[cultcross]

Rumour was that they had enough of Majel recorded to create her voice saying anything they wanted.

Then the rumour was they were going to get Marina Sirtis to do it.

 

[CorporalClegg]

As I always say: Star Trek has never been a utopia. The Federation is just really good at passing the buck.

 

[starmike]

Sonequa's acting in theses clips is bad. It's been bad in every trailer/clip/promo we've seen of her.

They spent a lot of money on this show, but based on what we've seen thus far the writing feels cheap.

I think your definition of "bad" is skewed. She looks scared shitless in one clip, and is having a conversation in another. The suit clip really sold me, and the other was perfectly fine.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

I think they have a different definition of "utopian" than me. They already said that the first season will focus on war. That is the opposite of utopian.

Which part of TOS was utopian? I forgot. Was it the conflict with the Klingons? The Romulans? Any number of other conflicts?

There's a huge difference between a utopian society -- which is what the Federation is supposed to be -- and an external enemy that forces the hand of that society.

 

[starmike]

Which part of TOS was utopian? I forgot. Was it the conflict with the Klingons? The Romulans? Any number of other conflicts?

There's a huge difference between a utopian society -- which is what the Federation is supposed to be -- and an external enemy that forces the hand of that society.

Have you watched TOS?

 

[Longinus]

I really like the emphasis on the message and positive portrayal of humanity's future. I will still crumble about bald Klingons, but if they get that shit right I will love this show nevertheless.

 

[johnjm22]

I think your definition of "bad" is skewed. She looks scared shitless in one clip, and is having a conversation in another. The suit clip really sold me, and the other was perfectly fine.

I disagree. Her "acting" feels awkward and forced in every Discovery clip I've seen (same goes for Yeoh). Her narration was particularly bad. She sounded like a little kid and was totally unconvincing. Her mannerisms, range, and facial expressions are the same as they were on The Walking Dead.

Hopefully my impression of her thus far is wrong. I hope she's great on the show, but I'm not optimistic based on what I've seen.

 

[starmike]

I disagree. Her "acting" feels awkward and forced in every Discovery clip I've seen (same goes for Yeoh). Her narration was particularly bad. She sounded like a little kid and was totally unconvincing. Her mannerisms, range, and facial expressions are the same as they were on The Walking Dead.

Hopefully my impression of her thus far is wrong. I hope she's great on the show, but I'm not optimistic based on what I've seen.

I fail to see what "range" she has in a 10-second clip in a desert with a mask on, but ok.

 

[Mudd]

Her mannerisms, range, and facial expressions are the same as they were on The Walking Dead.

This could, of course, be truthfully said of William Shatner and his entire career.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Which part of TOS was utopian? I forgot. Was it the conflict with the Klingons? The Romulans? Any number of other conflicts?

There's a huge difference between a utopian society -- which is what the Federation is supposed to be -- and an external enemy that forces the hand of that society.

Conflicts with the Klingons and Romulans were minor background plot points in TOS TV. In fact we only saw the Romulans in three TOS episodes (out of 79).

The overall premise of TOS certainly did not revolve around these conflicts, and there is no reason to think that the overall premise of DSC will revolve around a war with the Klingons. Granted, TOS TV does not paint Earth society as being the utopia that TNG boasts it is, but Kirk et al had made a few allusions to Earth being an overall hopeful place that overcame past societal woes.

There might be some conflict as part of the overall DSC story, but we need to wait to find out if "conflict with the Klingons" is an overall arching theme that drives DSC, or if the overall theme is mostly is a sense of exploration, discovery, and hopefulness -- despite that conflict with the Klingons.

I mean, TNG as a series included quite a bit about conflicts with Romulans, not to mention the Borg, but the society in which it all took place was overall "utopian".

 

[Borgminister]

This could, of course, be truthfully said of William Shatner and his entire career.

Ouch!

 

[Noname Given]

I really hope the ST:VOY Novel writer on staff hasn't gutted the 23rd Century aspect; (And sorry her comment to Jason Isaacs that he couldn't say 'My God' because of Gene Roddenberry's 'Vision' that came out from an article done on set makes me wonder if she ever REALLY watched TOS. Yeah, many have tried to explain that away as 'she's just talking about HIS character' - yeah, sorry, the more I see of said character in various clips, the more I think - "here's one character who WOULD swear, cuss, and say thing like 'My God!' or 'God Dammit!' - so yeah, I wonder how much she's TNGed the setting?)

As many have said TOS WASN'T a 'Utopia'.

Yes, mankind was more socially open/evolved, but:
- There was still alien prejudice
- People DIDN'T all think the same and weren't always nodding in total agreement.
- They used exclamations with religious connotations:

McCoy: "What the Devil!"

From TOS - "The Doomsday Machine":
Dekker: "They say there's no Devil Jim, but there is! Right out of Hell, I saw it!"

And many other examples.

Honestly, if the writing staff has made the characters have the 'Utopian' 24th century Federation mindset from TNG - and just draped them in a 23rd century aesthetic setting, I'll be really disappointed.

 

[mattyhugh]

I really hope the ST:VOY Novel writer on staff hasn't gutted the 23rd Century aspect; (And sorry her comment to Jason Isaacs that he couldn't say 'My God' because of Gene Roddenberry's 'Vision' that came out from an article done on set makes me wonder if she ever REALLY watched TOS. Yeah, many have tried to explain that away as 'she's just talking about HIS character' - yeah, sorry, the more I see of said character in various clips, the more I think - "here's one character who WOULD swear, cuss, and say thing like 'My God!' or 'God Dammit!' - so yeah, I wonder how much she's TNGed the setting?)

As many have said TOS WASN'T a 'Utopia'.

Yes, mankind was more socially open/evolved, but:
- There was still alien prejudice
- People DIDN'T all think the same and weren't always nodding in total agreement.
- They used exclamations with religious connotations:

McCoy: "What the Devil!"

From TOS - "The Doomsday Machine":
Dekker: "They say there's no Devil Jim, but there is! Right out of Hell, I saw it!"

And many other examples.

Honestly, if the writing staff has made the characters have the 'Utopian' 24th century Federation mindset from TNG - and just draped them in a 23rd century aesthetic setting, I'll be really disappointed.

Yes many people, including the first DSC tie in author who has read scripts. And I think TMP "TNG'd" TOS long before TNG was a glimmer in Gene's eye.

 

[Noname Given]

Yes many people, including the first DSC tie in author who has read scripts. And I think TMP "TNG'd" TOS long before TNG was a glimmer in Gene's eye.

Not really, the Kirk <--> Dekker dynamic in TMP wouuld never have been in a TNG script/story. McCoy would have been tamer too.

 

[Tuskin38]

I disagree. Her "acting" feels awkward and forced in every Discovery clip I've seen (same goes for Yeoh). Her narration was particularly bad. She sounded like a little kid and was totally unconvincing. Her mannerisms, range, and facial expressions are the same as they were on The Walking Dead.

Hopefully my impression of her thus far is wrong. I hope she's great on the show, but I'm not optimistic based on what I've seen.

She was a human raised by Vulcans, that would explain her mannerisms.

 

[gblews]

Is all that talk about this-race-gender-first mattering for real, or is Martin-Green trying to invent filler when she isn't allowed to actually say anything relevant?

I suspect that the hosts' questions on this subject were at least partially prompted by the tone of racial politics in the country at this time. Since SM-G was only responding to questions asked, I can't see any reason she would need "filler" in an interview. If they had asked spoilery questions SM-G would likely have fended those questions off.

This is why I don't watch news. They started the interview saying she was the black female captain, twice,

Nope, they actually didn't say it even once.

 

[JD]

The overall premise of TOS certainly did not revolve around these conflicts, and there is no reason to think that the overall premise of DSC will revolve around a war with the Klingons. Granted, TOS TV does not paint Earth society as being the utopia that TNG boasts it is, but Kirk et al had made a few allusions to Earth being an overall hopeful place that overcame past societal woes.

There might be some conflict as part of the overall DSC story, but we need to wait to find out if "conflict with the Klingons" is an overall arching theme that drives DSC, or if the overall theme is mostly is a sense of exploration, discovery, and hopefulness -- despite that conflict with the Klingons.

I'm pretty sure they've said that the war/conflict with the Klingons will be the main driving force of the story arc. So I think the main question is whether or not every single episode revolves entirely around that conflict, or if they will step away from it at certain points. It will be the only story arc through the whole season, so I have a feeling that even if there are episodes not entirely focused on the conflict, they will still tie back to it in some way, like one of the Federation ships goes to a new planet looking for allies, or they're trying to prevent the Klingons from gaining territory.
It does look like Chris Obi as T'Kuvma, Mary Chieffo as L'Rell and Kenneth Mitchelll as Kol might be regulars, so there's a pretty good chance that most of the episodes will involve the Klingons in some way.

 

[cultcross]

Not really, the Kirk <--> Dekker dynamic in TMP wouuld never have been in a TNG script/story.

Was it that different from Riker/Shelby?

 

[johnjm22]

She was a human raised by Vulcans, that would explain her mannerisms.

There are no Vulcans on The Walking Dead.

I fail to see what "range" she has in a 10-second clip in a desert with a mask on, but ok.

I've seen a lot more than 10 seconds of her. As I said, I hope what we've seen thus far is misleading and she turns out to be great. BTW, I listen to TWIT every week and enjoy it very much.

This could, of course, be truthfully said of William Shatner and his entire career.

I suppose that's true. Many actors it's true of. If it works it works, but from what I've seen of DSC thus far it's not working. I think it works somewhat in TWD because she's not the lead.