And (IMHO), not very good or accurate punk rock, either-Kirk Thatcher and TVH's writers should have taken a better listen to most of the British and American punk when they came up with that scene, funny as it was.
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And (IMHO), not very good or accurate punk rock, either-Kirk Thatcher and TVH's writers should have taken a better listen to most of the British and American punk when they came up with that scene, funny as it was.
Who the hell cares? It would have been awesome television, and Trek Fans would have watched it anyway because this is Star Trek. Also, they would have complained bitterly and criticized it no matter what, because this is Star Trek.
ETA: I just realized, they ACTUALLY DID THIS in "The Voyage Home."
The reason for the obscurity of Edge of Etiquette is the band not even having existed longer than approximately one and a half days after the movie had gone into post-production. Thatcher provided the vocals as well as the lyrics for the song. The rest of the team consisted of several such members of the sound department as Mark Mangini, who converted the tune Thatcher had in mind for the song to something that could be played.
To achieve an "authentic" gritty punk sound, Thatcher, Mangini and company moved into the hallway of the sound studio where the post-production sound work was being done in order to record the song. They also used the lowest quality microphones and instruments they had available to enhance the illusion that the song had been recorded live at a punk club.
This was the only time Edge of Etiquette ever recorded anything or played anywhere. No royalties or licensing fees of any kind were ever paid to anyone for the use of the song "I Hate You" in Star Trek IV. Thatcher did get some royalties when the song was later used in the movie Back To The Beach, but the song was not included on the film's soundtrack album. [2] The song remained unavailable for purchase until the soundtrack was re-released in late December 2011.
To achieve an "authentic" gritty punk sound, Thatcher, Mangini and company moved into the hallway of the sound studio where the post-production sound work was being done in order to record the song. They also used the lowest quality microphones and instruments they had available to enhance the illusion that the song had been recorded live at a punk club.
This was the only time Edge of Etiquette ever recorded anything or played anywhere. No royalties or licensing fees of any kind were ever paid to anyone for the use of the song "I Hate You" in Star Trek IV. Thatcher did get some royalties when the song was later used in the movie Back To The Beach, but the song was not included on the film's soundtrack album. [2] The song remained unavailable for purchase until the soundtrack was re-released in late December 2011.
And they did the same thing in "The Final Frontier" which is how Uhura ended up singing "Window to Heaven" in the buff.
No, but science fiction fans like speculative ideas about what society might/could look like in the future, and getting a band to play a set that sounds innovative and/or unconventional would be a good way to accomplish that.
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TOS: Hippie Trek
TNG/DS9/VOY: Yuppie Trek
ENT: RHSC* Trek
DSC: Millennial Trek
Yuppie Trek was my time, even though Hippie Trek is my favorite.
But what's RHSC*? Serious question.
No they haven't, the 1960's is still within living memory, when its the 2060's our grand children will make the decision. How may ten year olds find the idea of playing Mozart while driving their dad's car as something rebellious?
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What makes one "proper" and the other not? They are all basically telling the same exact stories.
A good suit and a $80 haircut?What makes one "proper" and the other not? They are all basically telling the same exact stories.
Those types of lines work best if it's not something obvious. Same for the exchange in STVH.
Doesn't work with more high brow authors.
Punk can be a pretty broad term. The Ramones, the Sex Pistols and the Clash are all punk. Early on the Police and the Jam were thought of as Punk. To my ear, Thatcher was going for a Sex Pistols vibe.
Star Trek by decade:
'60s Trek: TOS
'70s Trek: TAS, TMP
'80s Trek: TWoK-TFF, TNG S1-3
'90s Trek: TUC, TNG S3-7, DS9, Generations-Insurrection, Voyager S1-6
2000s Trek: Voyager S6-7, Nemesis, Enterprise, Star Trek 2009
'10s Trek: STID, Beyond, Discovery S1-2, Short Treks S1-2
'20s Trek: Short Treks S2, Picard, LD, Discovery S3-5, Prodigy, SNW, S31
Star Trek by President:
Johnson Trek: TOS S1-3
Nixon Trek: TOS S3, TAS S1
Ford Trek: TAS S2
Carter Trek: TMP
Reagan Trek: TWoK-TVH, TNG S1-2
GHW Bush Trek: TNG S2-6, TFF-TUC, DS9 S1
Clinton Trek: TNG S6-7, DS9 S1-7, Generations-Insurrection, Voyager S1-7
GW Bush Trek: Voyager S7, Nemesis, Enterprise
Obama Trek: Star Trek 2009-Beyond
Trump Trek: Discovery S1-3, Short Treks, Picard S1, LD S1
Biden Trek: LD S2, Prodigy, Discovery S4-5, Picard S2, SNW, S31
Star Trek by British monarch:
Elizabeth II Trek: All of Star Trek
'60s Trek: TOS
'70s Trek: TAS, TMP
'80s Trek: TWoK-TFF, TNG S1-3
'90s Trek: TUC, TNG S3-7, DS9, Generations-Insurrection, Voyager S1-6
2000s Trek: Voyager S6-7, Nemesis, Enterprise, Star Trek 2009
'10s Trek: STID, Beyond, Discovery S1-2, Short Treks S1-2
'20s Trek: Short Treks S2, Picard, LD, Discovery S3-5, Prodigy, SNW, S31
Star Trek by President:
Johnson Trek: TOS S1-3
Nixon Trek: TOS S3, TAS S1
Ford Trek: TAS S2
Carter Trek: TMP
Reagan Trek: TWoK-TVH, TNG S1-2
GHW Bush Trek: TNG S2-6, TFF-TUC, DS9 S1
Clinton Trek: TNG S6-7, DS9 S1-7, Generations-Insurrection, Voyager S1-7
GW Bush Trek: Voyager S7, Nemesis, Enterprise
Obama Trek: Star Trek 2009-Beyond
Trump Trek: Discovery S1-3, Short Treks, Picard S1, LD S1
Biden Trek: LD S2, Prodigy, Discovery S4-5, Picard S2, SNW, S31
Star Trek by British monarch:
Elizabeth II Trek: All of Star Trek
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I just threw up a little. Even if Discovery sucks (and I don't think it will), I'd never call it that.
It'd be nice if Star Trek: Discovery spanned two (or more) Presidents, even if it only lasts one season.
^^I see what you did there.
I tell you, some people just can't get fired. Though, she was a legacy hire...
Just call it 2nd generation Trek or something
Yes, because the yet-more-modern era is Retro and so less it's own new different era than a revival. Especially before we know how long it lasts.
Though its also OK and appropriate to refer to the past spinoffs as Berman Trek/Berman Era as he was very involved in all of them and mostly in charge of them.
18 years ago is relatively modern to for a 39-year-old franchise, especially with a big gap between the two eras of television broadcasting.
You could even argue that Discovery is, at least in terms of Trek, still in the same era as the other spinoffs as there were only brief periods between Enterprise, the Abrams movies and it (and they all try to go back to being more influenced by the original series). Although I also like referring to both reboot movies and Discovery as millennial.
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I just remember a very amusing rant I read back in that general time period (I think it was 2005, could have been 2006 though) detailing that the fact Trek fans are still considering a TV show from 1987 to be part of their "modern era" only proves how out of touch with the modern world they truly are. I can certainly see the point, especially when you factor in that Doctor Who episodes that aired from 1987-1989 are considered part of that franchise's (which is only three years older than Trek) "classic era."
Well, when you consider the fact that nothing from the '90s can be more than ten years old; it makes perfect sense.
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