Kelvin Timeline all but confirmed

[starbuck]

I just think as they can create better sets then they will change the look, i'm sure if star trek was done today with gene it would be a lot different than it was in the 60s. We have a show set in the future that was built using 60s tech, now we have computer far advanced then what was in trek but thanks to trek for the idea's of the future.

 

[Tuskin38]

Not if James T. Kirk was a new born baby because Captain Pike told James Kirk the his farther had save him and most of the Kelvin crew and James Kirk became Captain of the USS Enterprise in the 2009 reboot which prime line 2 and TOS is prime line 1 or that could make it a prime line 3 with a mix of 1 and 2 but who knows for sure

You need some punctuation in there. I had a hard time making sense of your post.

And it is the Kelvin Timeline, not 'Prime Timeline 2'

Other then that you're basically right.

 

[BillJ]

I just think as they can create better sets then they will change the look, i'm sure if star trek was done today with gene it would be a lot different than it was in the 60s.

But it was made in the 60's. You take the 60's out of Star Trek, you are fundamentally changing what it is. For good and ill.

 

[Nyotarules]

But it was made in the 60's. You take the 60's out of Star Trek, you are fundamentally changing what it is. For good and ill.

Shakespeare's plays - the 16th century is taken out of those plays all the time, and its a 500 year old show. Star Trek will be lucky to survive 100 years.

 

[BillJ]

Shakespeare's plays - the 16th century is taken out of those plays all the time, and its a 500 year old show.

But we're not creating a prequel that is supposed to be in continuity with those plays.

Society is different, acting is different, writing is different, audience expectations are different, technology is different...

If they are trying to keep it in the Prime universe, they are essentially keeping to dates but losing the context in which those things were created.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

After seeing those new pics of the Discovery's bridge, I'm more convinced than ever that not only is DSC not set in the Kelvinverse, but rather it is entirely compatible with 2254-era technology as shown in the prime timeline. The DSC bridge is, IMHO, absolutely fitting with the "Cage" aesthetic, and if the Enterprise ever turns up, it will too.

 

[BillJ]

After seeing those new pics of the Discovery's bridge, I'm more convinced than ever that not only is DSC not set in the Kelvinverse, but rather it is entirely compatible with 2254-era technology as shown in the prime timeline. The DSC bridge is, IMHO, absolutely fitting with the "Cage" aesthetic, and if the Enterprise ever turns up, it will too.

I gotta be honest, I don't see the fit in any way, shape or form. It looks nothing like 2254 as presented in "The Cage".

Maybe I'm missing the wall of lights and neon piping on the Enterprise?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

He probably objected to that as well. All Vulcans do not share the same views.

Far as I'm concerned, the very existence of the Intrepid's all-Vulcan crew means that Sarek has no right to object to Spock's career choice. Right away, it means that there are 430 Vulcans in Starfleet *other* than Spock, so therefore it can't possibly be illogical for Spock himself to join as well.

Unless Sarek has the gall to claim that 431 Vulcans are wrong and he is right.

 

[Nyotarules]

Far as I'm concerned, the very existence of the Intrepid's all-Vulcan crew means that Sarek has no right to object to Spock's career choice. Right away, it means that there are 430 Vulcans in Starfleet *other* than Spock, so therefore it can't possibly be illogical for Spock himself to join as well.

He can object all he likes, there are folks who object to their children joining the armed forces, just because the USAF or Royal Navy exists does not mean such parents cannot object to them as a career choice. Vulcan parents are no paragons of virtue and Sarek's hypocrisy makes him more relatable as a flawed being. It took ST IV for him to 'see the light.'

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

But it was made in the 60's. You take the 60's out of Star Trek, you are fundamentally changing what it is. For good and ill.

TMP, TWoK, SfS, etc. took the 1960s out of TOS Star Trek, and it was still TOS star trek.

TMP was a very late-1970s-looking film, and the rest were very 1980s and 1990s-looking films-- bu they were still all TOS Star Trek, no matter how the tech looked.

Granted, one could argue that "in universe" TMP took place more than a decade after Kirk's original 5-year mission, so "in universe" things would naturally look more advanced ten years after Kirk's original 5-year mission (as opposed to DSC looking more advanced ten years BEFORE Kirk), but that is only an in-universe reason.

The real reason they looked different was that film production technology was different in the 1980s and 1990s compared to a mid-1960s TV production.

 

[Kemaiku]

The tie-in novel apparently refers to the Enterprise operating years before the 2255 premiere of the show. Given that the Kelvin 1701 was not brought from the Iowa shipyards to Starbase 1 until somewhere between 2255 and 2258, it could not have been out in space in 2250 or so, it would have been a metal frame at that point.

Has to be the Prime 1701 under April or more likely Pike.

 

[BillJ]

Has to be the Prime 1701 under April or more likely Pike.

It could be any number of 1701's from the plethora of universes that exist in Trek.

 

[Kemaiku]

It could be any number of 1701's from the plethora of universes that exist in Trek.

If people are going to argue what universe then lets do that. Can't be Kelvin since April's old 1701 disappeared leaving a gap until 2258 where the proper 1701 launched. Prime had an Enterprise from 2245 onwards.

But then the studio says it's Prime so that was settled months ago.

 

[BillJ]

But then the studio says it's Prime so that was settled months ago.

Studio can say whatever they want. The proof will be in the pudding, and right now it ain't looking so good.

 

[Kemaiku]

Studio can say whatever they want.

I can call your house an oil drilling platform all I want, won't stop it being a house. Calling Discovery anything other than the creators do is your own issue.

 

[Myko]

I can call your house an oil drilling platform all I want, won't stop it being a house.

That could just as well have been Billj's argument.

 

[Kemaiku]

That could just as well have been Billj's argument.

Eh, maybe. But this is after months of people (not as many here, social media and the like) claiming the studio no longer gets to decide what to call it, people like Peters disputing they really 'own' Trek at all anymore.

It's going back to the era when discussing a series at all was slogging through as many or more arguments to it being 'true Trek' at all. The studio is the final decider and Discovery is Prime, it's tough enough trying to debate anything about the show without having to hammer that point home 20 times first.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The studio, TPTB, other monkeys can force canon, they can put stuff on the air to follow their mandate or sell soft drinks. It's not hard, they are the gods of this universe with absolute power so long as they are still making new episodes.

Just from experience, sometimes they forget to do that, and alternate canon grows organically rather than from the board room at paramount or Berman's pants... You know where years later a producer says "I know I forgot to mention this, or explain this, but you can trust me, this is exactly what happened off camera, and could have been canon if I had had another three minutes of air to fill in."

 

[RAMA]

Zzzzzzzzzzz

 

[Tuskin38]

Can't be Kelvin since April's old 1701 disappeared leaving a gap until 2258 where the proper 1701 launched

Those comics were not canon.