Voyager season 4
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Alright... I watched a couple of more eps last night:
Random thoughts - this ep had a really interesting concept. To take something as intangible as a thought and try to curtail and restrain it as a mechanism for law enforcement is both intriguing and frightening. I hope I don't live to see something like this appear on Earth; it's got Big Brother written all over it. I did predict some of the events in the ep before they occurred, so it maybe wasn't handled in the most original manner (or maybe that's unrelated?), but I liked the ideas here. Also, the ending sequence with Janeway and Seven I found amusing ; it's just another small glimpse into Seven's character, but the way she startles Janeway as she enters her ready room, and more or less leaves her speechless made me chuckle. BTW, Janeway has a massive ready room. That thing is bigger than my apartment.
Concerning Flight - lol at the da Vinci hologram showing up in the marketplace. I really laughed right out loud at that. He was fitting right in with everyone! This was a decently entertaining episode , considering all they were doing really was trying to retrieve stolen goods. John Rhys- Davies was great and I liked the ending sequence.
@Thomas Eugene I think you said you loved Concerning Flight? I went back to look, but couldn't find your post... anywa, feel free to expound on it if it was you.
Random thoughts - this ep had a really interesting concept. To take something as intangible as a thought and try to curtail and restrain it as a mechanism for law enforcement is both intriguing and frightening. I hope I don't live to see something like this appear on Earth; it's got Big Brother written all over it. I did predict some of the events in the ep before they occurred, so it maybe wasn't handled in the most original manner (or maybe that's unrelated?), but I liked the ideas here. Also, the ending sequence with Janeway and Seven I found amusing ; it's just another small glimpse into Seven's character, but the way she startles Janeway as she enters her ready room, and more or less leaves her speechless made me chuckle. BTW, Janeway has a massive ready room. That thing is bigger than my apartment.
Concerning Flight - lol at the da Vinci hologram showing up in the marketplace. I really laughed right out loud at that. He was fitting right in with everyone! This was a decently entertaining episode , considering all they were doing really was trying to retrieve stolen goods. John Rhys- Davies was great and I liked the ending sequence.
@Thomas Eugene I think you said you loved Concerning Flight? I went back to look, but couldn't find your post... anywa, feel free to expound on it if it was you.
Concerning Flight was cute. Da Vinci interpreting the alein market within his scope, and talking to Tuvok about Vulcan was funny. I loved when Janewy picked up the phaser and he was like hey be careful!Alright... I watched a couple of more eps last night:
Random thoughts - this ep had a really interesting concept. To take something as intangible as a thought and try to curtail and restrain it as a mechanism for law enforcement is both intriguing and frightening. I hope I don't live to see something like this appear on Earth; it's got Big Brother written all over it. I did predict some of the events in the ep before they occurred, so it maybe wasn't handled in the most original manner (or maybe that's unrelated?), but I liked the ideas here. Also, the ending sequence with Janeway and Seven I found amusing ; it's just another small glimpse into Seven's character, but the way she startles Janeway as she enters her ready room, and more or less leaves her speechless made me chuckle. BTW, Janeway has a massive ready room. That thing is bigger than my apartment.
Concerning Flight - lol at the da Vinci hologram showing up in the marketplace. I really laughed right out loud at that. He was fitting right in with everyone! This was a decently entertaining episode , considering all they were doing really was trying to retrieve stolen goods. John Rhys- Davies was great and I liked the ending sequence.
@Thomas Eugene I think you said you loved Concerning Flight? I went back to look, but couldn't find your post... anywa, feel free to expound on it if it was you.
Yep, and he certainly didn't seem like he trusted Tuvok all that much either (probably some of his antiquated attitude via his realistic programming showing!) since he was quick to respond when Tuvok attempted to pick up the phaser himself.
Concerning Flight is my favorite Janeway episode this season. It's always nice to see her out of uniform. She really cares for Da Vinci, and they have very good chemistry on screen. There's a bunch of nice on location scenes too. Janeway proves again that she can be an action hero, and Voyager proves how well it can do lighter-hearted adventure stories.
Each season has an atypical(for 'The Captain')Janeway episode.
-The early s1 "Time & Again"
-S2's "Resistance"
-S3's "Sacred Ground"
-and this season's "Concerning Flight"
All have similarities, but are vastly different in tone (or genre); yet Janeway remains in character. She's determined, resourceful, and compassionate...and very brave.
Soak it in, because we won't get to see Janeway in this position (out of uniform, out of her element, on an alien world, etc) for a long, long time.
...Although it may happen again.
Each season has an atypical(for 'The Captain')Janeway episode.
-The early s1 "Time & Again"
-S2's "Resistance"
-S3's "Sacred Ground"
-and this season's "Concerning Flight"
All have similarities, but are vastly different in tone (or genre); yet Janeway remains in character. She's determined, resourceful, and compassionate...and very brave.
Soak it in, because we won't get to see Janeway in this position (out of uniform, out of her element, on an alien world, etc) for a long, long time.
...Although it may happen again.
I think we do, as you said in every season....possible spoilers
Season 5 - 11:59 (though not one of my favorites)
Season 6 - Fair Haven
Season 7 - Workforce
The last one was what I was hinting. I forgot about 11:59. It sort of fits those parameters, and sort of doesn't. I don't think I would count Fair Haven though.
Alright... I watched a couple of more eps last night:
@Thomas Eugene I think you said you loved Concerning Flight? I went back to look, but couldn't find your post... anyway, feel free to expound on it if it was you.
Yes, your memory serves you well. Love that ep (although this is true of about 165 eps out of the 172
). The idea of Leonardo wanting to learn to fly so much and devoting his whole life (well, a lot of it) to this aim ... and then Janeway making this dream of his come true even if she can only do this with his holographic counterpart ... this is brilliant, I think. I've always found this concept fascinating. I view this as a kind of gratitude on Janeway's part: Da Vinci let her become his apprentice and now the apprentice gives something back. The fact that they managed to create a whole story around this makes it even more fascinating. My only regret is that I wish we'd seen Leonardo in a few more episodes ... Although we will see his workshop pretty often, but not the man himself.Out of all the holodeck programmes, this is my fav. Probably because you just got to love the Renaissance (when you are in Italy, you can almost touch it in the air ...)
Agreed, I love Janeway out of uniform. My fav is when she wears white:
I agree, TE... the ending was a nice touch, considering the master & apprentice relationship da Vinci and Janeway had. And it was pretty cool that the entire ep (and more really, as this concept was hinted at in other eps) was formulated using that relationship as the backdrop.Yes, your memory serves you well. Love that ep (although this is true of about 165 eps out of the 172
Out of all the holodeck programmes, this is my fav. Probably because you just got to love the Renaissance (when you are in Italy, you can almost touch it in the air ...)
I like that you viewed Janeway's ability to give da Vinci the experience of flying as gratitude. Gratitude has got to be one of the most positive and empowering of all human emotions... mainly it's impossible for it to produce any negativity between people. It's almost like opening up and expressing a heartfelt vulnerability to another person (although not quite like that- I can't think of the proper word right now), which in turn produces a feeling of positive empowerment in the other person. It basically makes both sides not take things for granted and increases people's appreciation and love of things (people, environment, etc.) around them.
It would have been great to see Davinci again but I imagine the actor's schedule didn't permit it. I always forget that the actor who plays him is actually a tall dude and not a dwarf
Okay, couple of quick notes on the two eps I watched yesterday...
Mortal coil- Overall I found this ep to just be okay, but I still liked it alright. I liked the exchange between Tuvok and Seven about death since it gave a little more insight into her developing character and Tuvok's as well... and Chakotay look really tasty in that brown jacket, lol. Incidentally, so far over the course of the eps I've watched, I am not seeing any negative effects of Seven's introduction as a main character/cast member. In other words: she does not appear to be taking up any more screen time overall than any other character. Maybe this is more pronounced in later seasons because a LOT of people seem to make mention of it.
Waking Moments- this one seemed a little meandering, or not fully realized at first, but I enjoyed it more as it progressed. I like psychological, convoluted stuff and this kind of qualified I guess. The fact that they were all stuck like 3 dreams deep reminded me vaguely of Nightmare on Elm Street or something (which is a neutral statement as I don't give that film as much props as other horror movie fans), but given the subject matter it could have been cool if the writing had played more off of the wacky stuff that occurs in dreams (I guess like in the teaser before the credits, but even more so).
Mortal coil- Overall I found this ep to just be okay, but I still liked it alright. I liked the exchange between Tuvok and Seven about death since it gave a little more insight into her developing character and Tuvok's as well... and Chakotay look really tasty in that brown jacket, lol. Incidentally, so far over the course of the eps I've watched, I am not seeing any negative effects of Seven's introduction as a main character/cast member. In other words: she does not appear to be taking up any more screen time overall than any other character. Maybe this is more pronounced in later seasons because a LOT of people seem to make mention of it.
Waking Moments- this one seemed a little meandering, or not fully realized at first, but I enjoyed it more as it progressed. I like psychological, convoluted stuff and this kind of qualified I guess. The fact that they were all stuck like 3 dreams deep reminded me vaguely of Nightmare on Elm Street or something (which is a neutral statement as I don't give that film as much props as other horror movie fans), but given the subject matter it could have been cool if the writing had played more off of the wacky stuff that occurs in dreams (I guess like in the teaser before the credits, but even more so).
I like both of these episodes. Mortal Coil is a great episode. Ethan Phillips always delivers when he is given the chance. Neelix comes off as a light happy guy but he has some deep dark things down inside of him that make his character very interesting to me. I think the message behind this episode is something many people can relate to and I like when Star Trek tackles these issues. This episode speaks to me personally, there was a time not too long ago when I would have been right next to Neelix on that transporter pad ready to end it all with him.
Waking Moments is just fun and on the silly side. A good episode for me. Not great, but good and enjoyable.
Yep, Neelix is growing on me slightly as the seasons progress... just a bit.
TBH, based on events in my life at the time, I would also have been on transporter pad with Neelix, but I'd have to go back ~30 years to get back to those events and feelings (no thanks!). So, yeah, it's something very relatable...
As the show progresses, he shows more and more often what a big heart he has. It's difficult not to like him, I think.
But of course, for me it's like the more VOY I watch, the more I like everyone (including Kes)
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A couple of quick notes about the eps I watched last night and then I'm away for the weekend:
Message in a bottle - I guess this is a notable ep due to the end result? The Doctor was pretty funny in this one' he had some good retorts and one liners for yet another jerky, arrogant EMH. Good stuff between Bellana and Seven as well... I loved when Seven shocked that Hirogen. She rocks.
Hunters- I do like the Hirogens as villains so far; they seem moderately menacing and they sure have imposing stature. This episode was middling overall imo, but I again liked the scenes with Tuvok and Seven (mainly the ones on the Hirogen ship). I didn't care as much for the whole letter subplot, but I guess it was needed for a few reasons involving the main plot. Or maybe I have my plots reversed, meh.
Message in a bottle - I guess this is a notable ep due to the end result? The Doctor was pretty funny in this one' he had some good retorts and one liners for yet another jerky, arrogant EMH. Good stuff between Bellana and Seven as well... I loved when Seven shocked that Hirogen. She rocks.
Hunters- I do like the Hirogens as villains so far; they seem moderately menacing and they sure have imposing stature. This episode was middling overall imo, but I again liked the scenes with Tuvok and Seven (mainly the ones on the Hirogen ship). I didn't care as much for the whole letter subplot, but I guess it was needed for a few reasons involving the main plot. Or maybe I have my plots reversed, meh.
Hirogens are definitely more imposing than other VOY species, but they have the same problem of being a "one-note species" as others in Trek. It's hard to believe that a species that does nothing but hunt/kill/attack can develop and maintain space-faring technology, so they always require a greater, conscious suspension of disbelief on my part. The Borg are probably the only species of this type that makes any sense. They do give the Hirogens a touch more nuance in "The Killing Game", though (although that episode requires plenty of suspension of disbelief for other reasons).
An issue that's been unique to VOY: the writers play around pretty fast and loose with the idea that The Federation has advanced, desirable technology compared to many species in the Delta Quadrant, to the point were it seems contradictory or nonsensical. For example, the Kazon are presented as being amazed by and desperate for Voyager's access to water and other basic resources. And yet they're able to easily disable Voyager time and again, seeming to be otherwise nearly-equivalent in space-faring technology, and able to take over and control the ship as if its tech were no different from theirs.
Similar things happen with the Hirogens in "The Killing Game" and in other places.
An issue that's been unique to VOY: the writers play around pretty fast and loose with the idea that The Federation has advanced, desirable technology compared to many species in the Delta Quadrant, to the point were it seems contradictory or nonsensical. For example, the Kazon are presented as being amazed by and desperate for Voyager's access to water and other basic resources. And yet they're able to easily disable Voyager time and again, seeming to be otherwise nearly-equivalent in space-faring technology, and able to take over and control the ship as if its tech were no different from theirs.
Similar things happen with the Hirogens in "The Killing Game" and in other places.
I disagree with these critacisms. The Kazon may not have had replicators or transporters. But they had superior firepower and numbers. Their ships were bigger and had more guns, and they had many ships they could use. Also they had Seska and her buddies helping from the inside of Voyager.
With the Hirogen in The Kiling Game they had several cremembers around for the technology. Remember Harry and some others were not part of the games, and were working on the ships systems.
The Hirogen are modeled after predator. Their ships and technology is ancient, but there are Hirogen engineers. We meet two of them.
The Kazon stole their ships. They're primitive, and they don't have transporter technology. Without transporter technology, moving water around would be a major operation.
The Kazon stole their ships. They're primitive, and they don't have transporter technology. Without transporter technology, moving water around would be a major operation.
The Hirogens are by far my favourite villains on Star Trek so enjoy every episode with them. I wish we'd seen them more often although they will be present throughout the rest of the show - just like the Borg although the Hirogens won't be used as often as the Borg. THE KILLING GAME totally rocks in my book - and also note Janeway and Tuvok (and all the others) out of uniform. They all are a delight to look at.A couple of quick notes about the eps I watched last night and then I'm away for the weekend:
Message in a bottle - I guess this is a notable ep due to the end result? The Doctor was pretty funny in this one' he had some good retorts and one liners for yet another jerky, arrogant EMH. Good stuff between Bellana and Seven as well... I loved when Seven shocked that Hirogen. She rocks.
Hunters- I do like the Hirogens as villains so far; they seem moderately menacing and they sure have imposing stature. This episode was middling overall imo, but I again liked the scenes with Tuvok and Seven (mainly the ones on the Hirogen ship). I didn't care as much for the whole letter subplot, but I guess it was needed for a few reasons involving the main plot. Or maybe I have my plots reversed, meh.
The story is interesting ... and it'll have a sequel to it in the last season.As for Tuvok and Seven, they are always enjoyable together - but then who isn't on VOY?
All of them are exciting for me. I also find it interesting you didn't care much for the letters - I actually think this episode is a turning point, for example for Janeway and for Tommy. Those letters do (and in Tom's case would have) play a significant role in their character development.
I`m wondering, you didn`t ,mention the scene between Janeway and Chakotay, where Janeway tells him about Marc`s letter. I love this scene, because it`s J/C. ;-)
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