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The Punisher-- Marvel/Netflix

JD said:
I think he will be in it some capacity along and Elektra too.
I have to admit, I am shocked and impressed you actually changed your mind.
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Well, I was getting the urge for another hero show (since the DC shows I watch are on break), and leaving Daredevil half done was bugging me, especially since I have always intended to watch Defenders. So, I went in with probably a more open mind then I did originally, and with more tolerance of Foggy being a jerk about Matt being Daredevil. It was a solid season, although I think Fisk was a better overall villain for a season then what we got in Season 2, and the Punisher's trial dragged on a bit. Elektra was weirdly bloodthirsty, but the actress was very good and in the end I liked what they did with her, even if I like the comic version a bit more. After DD Season 2, I'm definitely excited for The Punisher to have a show.
 
Its not really relevant. The Punisher in Warzone wasn't acting the way he did because of PTSD, he was just a badly written killing robot because the writer didn't care about him. The whole point of that movie was the violence and action, with writing probably near the bottom of the list. Its main character was terribly written, and its villain was a joke in a bad way. If it wasn't for the decent action scenes, I'd even say its inferior to the Dolph Lundgren movie, and that was literally The Punisher in name only.

To be fair, some versions of The Punisher have been boring killing machines with no personality. Its why I hated what I read of Punisher MAX, which I think was the big inspiration for Warzone. Give me a Punisher who is an actual person, with emotions and something to him besides just being a bipedal killing machine.

He doesn't have to be a nice guy, he doesn't even have to be all that sympathetic (although both Jane and Netlix's version were at least somewhat sympathetic and were better for it). But he needs to be a character, and Warzone's Punisher, in my opinion, really wasn't except in the broadest definition of the term.
 
Yeah, I was expecting Novemberish.

I still hope Frank pops up at some point during The Defenders, even if it's just for one episode. Both shows were filming at about the same time, IIRC.
 
There was some footage shown at SDCC...

It starts off with a sequence featuring Castle’s past, as his daughter plays the guitar. A lot of flashes from where he is currently in the past that he wished to bring back, as he is then in a car chase involving the Dogs of Hell, who seem to be making a return from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and season 2 of Daredevil once again. In the Punisher’s usually bloody fashion someone’s head explodes, as he is shot from the distance.
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I am decidedly not a fan of the Ennis version in the comics. I would hope they don't riff off that too much.
 
As for the "reluctance to kill" doctrine...it seems to be spreading. From Coulson's Crew at SHIELD (admittedly, that's practiced irregularly, as they are trying to resume being federal/UN officers) to the Defenders characters to Spider-Man in his solo movie...
 
DEWLine said:
As for the "reluctance to kill" doctrine...it seems to be spreading. From Coulson's Crew at SHIELD (admittedly, that's practiced irregularly, as they are trying to resume being federal/UN officers) to the Defenders characters to Spider-Man in his solo movie...
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Also Ant-man and, after Civil War presumably Black Panther.
 
grendelsbayne said:
and, after Civil War presumably Black Panther.
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Not necessarily. Deciding not to kill for revenge doesn't mean he won't kill in the heat of battle if he has to. There are countless stories out there about protagonists who reject the former without rejecting the latter. (E.g. RoboCop -- Robo chose to arrest Boddicker by the book rather than take revenge, but killed later on when it was necessary to save himself or others. Although it's worth noting that RoboCop's rules of engagement in the first film, though far from gentle, were mostly non-lethal except in extreme necessity, unlike the gratuitously violent second film where every shot he fired was a kill shot except for one case where he wanted to interrogate the guy.)

Of course I'd prefer to see MCU heroes avoid killing more than they do, but at this point we don't know if Black Panther will be in that category.
 
Jon Berthal at SDCC...

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Jon Bernthal fought to keep Frank from seeming too likeable or heroic.

I think that my big struggle with him is that one of my biggest kind of things that I'm always fighting for on set is, I always want to preserve the essence of Frank, and have the right and be bold enough to really turn my back on the audience, and not do things to win the audience's favor, but rather stay true to the character and the essence of who he is.

I think Frank is brutal. Frank is damaged. Frank is tortured. I think Frank, when he engages in violence, there's something utterly satisfying and addictive for him to be doing that, and that may not be something that the audience can agree with or get behind.
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Netflix hasn't given a firm launch date for Punisher yet, right?
We are all just thinking it'll be 4th Q of '17 though still, yes?
 
Turtletrekker said:
Jon Bernthal fought to keep Frank from seeming too likeable or heroic.
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Its cool that he's so committed to his version of the character. I grew to like him in DD Season 2 after giving the season a chance, so I'm definitely interested in his solo show, and how it will portray the character. Now, I don't need Punisher to be unsympathetic (the Thomas Jane Punisher is still my favorite version, and he was fairly sympathetic) but for Boenthal's version keeping the audience from liking him too much makes a lot of sense.
 
Christopher said:
Okay, how the heck did he make those long, thin "tooth" marks with a sledgehammer?
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I don't know, man, how did they project all that footage of past adventures onto the Enterprise when there were no projectors floating around in space? And how did the Enterprise crew have footage of all their past adventures?

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It's a promo, not an actual clip from the show meant to be taken literally. Good gravy.
 
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