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You're right about the fact that neither Mulgrew, Picardo, Russ or Philipps, all actors who had most worked with Jennifer Lien, mentionned her after s3. Out of sight, out of mind?!.Anyway, it was and still is deeply regrettable..
And the worst was that after years of silence about Kes, the only time producers remembered the character, was to make her coming back and to "screw" the character.
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ONE SMALL STEP
ALTER EGO
ONE SMALL STEP
A moving story and a wonderful acting from Phil Morris and an interesting directing from Robert Picardo.
If I remember well, "One small step" was one of the episodes which has frustrated Robert Beltran, and after to have re-watched it, I can understand why :initially, this story had to highlight the character of Chakotay, and all in all, it was Jeri Ryan/ Seven and Phil Morris/Lt John Kelly's performances which magnified this episode. Plus, and let's be honest here, Beltran's character really didn't come up (his obsession with the Ares IV made him commit an error in judgment, which put the away team composed of himself, Tom and Seven in danger. Without talking about his "excessive" authoritarianism at times).
Anyway, a good episode, where past and present chapters were harmoniously unndertaken!
Interesting, I didn't know that. I can imagine his frustration - although it seems that after Jeri Ryan joined the cast, he was frustrated with everything!A moving story and a wonderful acting from Phil Morris and an interesting directing from Robert Picardo.
If I remember well, "One small step" was one of the episodes which has frustrated Robert Beltran, and after to have re-watched it, I can understand why :initially, this story had to highlight the character of Chakotay, and all in all, it was Jeri Ryan/ Seven and Phil Morris/Lt John Kelly's performances which magnified this episode. Plus, and let's be honest here, Beltran's character really didn't come up (his obsession with the Ares IV made him commit an error in judgment, which put the away team composed of himself, Tom and Seven in danger. Without talking about his "excessive" authoritarianism at times).
Anyway, a good episode, where past and present chapters were harmoniously unndertaken!
Nevertheless one of VOY's best ... such a moving story.
And for today here are our redshirt officers ... although this time they look a bit different from their usual selves:
Interesting, I didn't know that. I can imagine his frustration - although it seems that after Jeri Ryan joined the cast, he was frustrated with everything!
Nevertheless one of VOY's best ... such a moving story.
And for today here are our redshirt officers ... although this time they look a bit different from their usual selves:
Yep, wouldn't they ingested non-edible food, especially Chakotay but Tom Paris is not bad at all, either?! ;-)
NIGHT
It got to be a joke that in the later seasons, it seemed like almost every time Chakotay led an Away Team, he would get injured so that Seven could rise to the occasion. "Prey"--he leads the hunting party and gets hurt; "Juggernaut"--he gets hurt, but here Be'Lanna steps up to lead; "Collective" (with the kid drones)-- he isn't hurt, but gets locked up the rest of the episode so that Seven can be front and center (Capt Kirk's crew would have escaped and helped sabotage the cube. Just sayin'); "One Small Step"--he get injured and Seven goes over to the capsule; "Natural Law"--his leg is hurt so Seven has to go find the shuttle wreckage. If you think about it, there are probably more. No wonder the guy got frustrated with the "That Again" type of writing for his character.
Nevertheless, One Small Step is a deeply moving episode.
I must admit being a Tuvok fan that in Tsunkatse seeing Tuvok out of commission, so Seven could take on the star role of contender in the ring, left me with mixed feelings. It was gratifying to see a strong woman but it also felt like a plot point to have Tuvok disabled.
Yep. That's another incarnation of that scenario. I remember the first time I saw it thinking it would have been better if Tuvok were strong enough and they both were fighting or forced to fight each other. It was sort of lazy writing IMO.
Chakotay also gets injured in "Unity" as well as "Workforce".
Chakotay also gets injured in "Unity" as well as "Workforce".
How about eps like SHATTERED, UNFORGETTABLE or IN THE FLESH? Is he satisfied with those? Or does he complain about those ones as well? He comes across as a great whiner to me ... but perhaps he has his reasons.
As for Tim Russ he makes the impression that he was pretty happy about playing Tuvok the way he was written. I don't remember any YouTube videos where he badmouthed the show. And I think VOY is full of beautiful Tuvok eps like MELD, FLASHBACK, GRAVITY and RIDDLES.
After Seven joins the show, (almost) everything revolves around her. I actually don't mind that even when it's blatantly obvious (like in RANDOM THOUGHTS where you have the feeling that all those things during the previous 40+ minutes happened only to give Seven the opportunity to discuss the matter from her perspective). She is a good character and fun to watch. I'm not saying that the others couldn't have been given more camera time or better stories. All I'm saying is that VOY is still a very good show (the best one for me) even though these things actually happened. I guess part of the reason why I feel like this is because Janeway is my fav character and she was never shoved into the background.
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If Beltran felt upstaged by the Seven character, one has to wonder what he thought about the big reveal in Endgame, (That Chakotay and Seven were in a relationship).
If you read Beltran’s comments to any extent, he was not just concerned about his own character’s development and screen time, but that of several of the other actors as well, and the overall quality of the show. Seven’s addition and development could be interesting at times, but I agree with Beltran that focusing too much on Seven, the Doctor, and Janeway (and turning them into virtual superheroes) in the last couple of seasons was not good for the overall creativity of the show; it led all too often to contrived and boring episodes IMO. Voyager was usually at its best, I think, in the ensemble pieces, with some exceptions.
It’s true that your heroine Janeway did not lose screen time, but Jeri Ryan has said that Kate Mulgrew could be quite cranky with her during shoots. It’s very probable that the Queen Bee did not like being upstaged by someone clearly added as male eye candy.
It was actually Beltran’s idea. Of course it didn’t take a genius. I had thought myself as a viewer during the 6th Season that the only way Chakotay would get more screen time now was if he hooked up with Seven.
There is a video on Youtube of one of the conventions where almost all of the cast are there. Someone from the audience asks Robert Picardo that since the Doctor was in love with Seven, how did he feel about Chakotay ending up with her? A number of the cast members tell Jeri Ryan stories (who wasn’t there) and finally someone asks how did Chakotay end up with her?
So Beltran tells the story that he was at the make up table one morning and Jeri Ryan happened to be there also. They’re chatting and he says, “I bet Braga would never let us have a kissing scene; he’d be too jealous.” And she says “Oh no, he wouldn’t mind.” (of course, Jeri Ryan is married to Brannon Braga by this time) And Beltran keeps saying. “No, it would never happen. He’d be jealous.” As an aside he says that he was saying this deliberately as a kind of a challenge. So JR finally says, “I’ll talk to Brannon about it.” Well, a short time later, he thought it was like the next week, he gets the script for “Human Error” where Seven creates the Chakotay hologram and they have a kissing scene! After that, both of the actors were told to kind of forget about the relationship for now, until “Endgame” came and then of course the characters were suddenly dating for real, for better or worse.
I thought it funny that at that point Kate Mulgrew suddenly asked, “You guys never even kissed in Endgame, did you?” And Beltran quickly replied, “Oh, yes we did.” Ha! Too bad Janeway. You had your chance.
Well, it depends on the articles/interviews read in the press but generally, Robert Beltran* seemed - and still does - to enjoy the fact that his character (Chakotay), in the absence of a significant share in s7 and more particularly in the finale, was the lucky one to win Seven (= the Ice Queen)'s heart. However, Beltran regretted that this romance was not brought better and earlier. And this opinion was - and still is - shared by her co-star, Jeri Ryan (Seven).
-> I guess that this unexpected situation (the romance between Chakotay and Seven) finally flattered his ego... . Hey, "he got the girl" Well, it depends on the articles/interviews read in the press but generally, Robert Beltran* seemed - and still does - to enjoy the fact that his character (Chakotay), in the absence of a significant share in s7 and more particularly in the finale, was the lucky one to win Seven (= the Ice Queen)'s heart. However, Beltran regretted that this romance was not brought better and earlier. And this opinion was - and still is - shared by her co-star, Jeri Ryan (Seven).
-> I guess that this unexpected situation (the romance between Chakotay and Seven) finally flattered his ego.... Hey, "he got the girl"
* And let's do not forget that it was the same R. Beltran (Chakotay) who challenged B. Braga (one of the executive producers), via J. Ryan (Seven) who was then his girlfriend, that Chakotay and Seven exchange a kiss and ... and Braga stupidily took up the challenge in Human Error, while until there, he has rejected all suggestions made by the actor (it was known on and out sets that Beltran & Braga didn't get along well). And K. Mulgrew (Janeway) who actively participated to Endgame's scenario (everything revolved around her character and her older doppelhängert was her idea!), agreed to transform what was until there, just a holographic romance to a reality for better or for worse!
, just to make Beltran stop whining about his lack of action. 
-> by the way, Mulgrew, who has rejected from the beginning, the idea of getting Janeway and Chakotay closer, remained faithful to her idea.
I don’t know that Mulgrew rejected Janeway/Chakotay from the beginning. I’ve heard different things. Certainly, Mulgrew never wanted Janeway to be a sex object, but that doesn’t preclude a healthy well-rounded character. Lorerunner over on Youtube who does the “Ruminations” reviews, and claims some degree of research, said that Mulgrew was OK with a romance between the characters (and if the reports are true, Mulgrew has admitted that she and Beltran were practicing off stage, if you know what I mean…). In fact “Resolutions” originally had a kissing scene that was shot but edited out. A clip from it is still floating around the internet. Since then, Mulgrew has offered explanations of why the characters couldn’t have a romance due to protocol, yada yada yada. Not necessarily that she didn't want them to.-> by the way, Mulgrew, who has rejected from the beginning, the idea of getting Janeway and Chakotay closer, remained faithful to her idea.
I do recall reading prior to one of the later seasons that Mulgrew requested that the writers include more of the friendship between Janeway and Chakotay, which made sense for the actress, since they played well off of each other IMO.
So much versions were given over the years (not necessarily maliciously from contemporary witnesses), but basically, no matter that Mulgrew decided to reject J/C as a potential and sustainable couple from the beginning or from s3* (preferably before Resolutions), the relationship confined itself to a deep friendship and as I oftenly repeated, this was fine with me (I know, a few of us share this opinion but well...
). *even if Mulgrew has agreed to let her character of Janeway play, loving feeling with Chakotay, this has never been beyond of mutual flirtation, particularly in the beginning (but "Resolutions", in s3, nipped the potential love story in the bud), the actress thought that thereafter, it was too late (and in any case, if something must have happened between them, it would have happened for a while, dixit Mulgrew herself) . And let's be honest, it would have been very strange to see, in Endgame, no matter the part 1 or 2, Janeway rushing into Chakotay's arms, finally confessing her regrets to have waited so long then her everlasting love, after she has politely rejected his disguised advances so many times before and moreover in last seasons, where she has indicated a total indifference to him.
-> well, I know that this is what was done with Chakotay/Seven's romance but please, note that neither producers or scriptwriters wanted to insist on or push too much on this turn of events (maybe because a part of them knew that this part would shock a lot of people...), and besides, in the 2nd part, there will be a very few intimate scenes between these both characters (that is they hardly looked lovingly at each other and that, until very the final scene). In fact, I'd say that the viewer came almost to wonder if they were still together at the end. Was it wanted or accidental?
As for the question of Janeway and Chakotay kissing, well, I don't know (plus, where are the said deleted scenes?). Have you ever noticed that these juicy details were often given to people and some medias particularly drawn to these kind of stories, no matter where they come from : stars, co-stars, insiders or invented by reporters themselves, for the only goal to excite, here the J/C fandom, keep the flame alive or make people purchase/read their papers?! You know, it's like the rumors about the supposed short romance between Mulgrew and Beltran in first seasons. There was no proof in those days and still now, both actors are silent about this story and people like Wang, who seems to adore to exude details on behind the scenes, never said anything about Mulgrew/Beltran.
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