Discovery at STLV. The massive info dump
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The walker looks like an evolution of the 22nd century NX class. The look of the 23rd century has changed and it was a done deal when ENT came out and looked decades newer than the 40 year old TOS. The Walker does not look super advanced if you use the NX and not TOS as its start point. I am guessing its either 2280 to 2320 in age as its clearly an older design not very far removed from the NX based on its outside.
The NX was covered with TOS homages, none of which carried over to the Walker class. If you ever read Doug Drexler's blog, it's obvious he intended the NX as a predecessor to Jefferies' Enterprise, exactly as depicted, regardless of stylistic changes since the 1960s.
These are the kinds of discussions I get that people have fun with, but I find it a bit troubling that so much of the fandom is hung up on enjoying Trek because of them.
Again, nice to debate and have some fun with it, but-- and I'm sorry if this sounds belittling-- but I stopped being genuinely bothered by these kinds of things when I was a teenager.
Again, nice to debate and have some fun with it, but-- and I'm sorry if this sounds belittling-- but I stopped being genuinely bothered by these kinds of things when I was a teenager.
Yes it has some TOS homages, more advanced looking but homages. Yet the Walker is clearly derived from the NX.
Yes, I'd say the Walker is definitely derived from the NX.
At the end of the day it's the producer who decides and John's job is to give them what they ask for. I do think the ships looks a bit advanced for the era but I do like his designs and ultimately he is not the one creating the series.
It looks like a 24th century ship.
Never been to the 24th century, so I can't say.
Looks like the NX but more advanced. You guys are gonna have to accept the dated TOS look is gone
That's true, although I remember Doug Drexler saying that he fought tooth and nail trying to persuade the producers not to use the Akira design as is in ENT.
And I've never been to the 19th century but I still know how an ironclad warship looks like.
No, I do understand and accept what Discovery is doing.
I'm arguing about something else.
When Enterprise was being produced, there was no notion of reinventing the TOS aesthetic, in the designers mind the TOS connie looked as it did in the 60s, and they designed the NX in relation to that.
I'm happy with what ever design style Discovery uses. I understand that modern audiences would not want to watch a show that looks like it came from the 60s.
Acceptance is futile............We're Star Trek fans. Acceptance is never a given.
I was watching the Cast panel, and one of the actors (I don't recall who know) said that the console screens actually work, they do have intractable elements. So I'm guessing instead of have an animated video the actors need to time their actions with, they just set up an intractable for the scene.
They also mentioned that there are still some videos for timing.
They also mentioned that there are still some videos for timing.
I think that was Sam Varholomeos. He and Wilson Cruz both said that some consoles are touch screens that do things, and other parts have some timed elements to them.
I think it was Vartholomeos who said that in one break before the consoles came on, he worked out a sequence of movements that for things he would need to do more than once he would have a definite sequence to do each time so that it looked consistent.
It doesn't have to look like it came from the sixties. Nobody I know is called for a exacting Star Trek aesthetic. Just something that is reasonably consistent with what we've seen in "The Cage." Don't like the uniform? Then come up with some cool jacket to wear on top. Don't like the bridge design? Throw on some new paint, maybe a new railing, shiny surfaces, and change up the buttons. Think the exterior aesthetic of the ships of this era look too bland? Add subtle details to make it look more futuristic.
It wouldn't take much to stay faithful to the Pike era look AND look advanced and futuristic. Just a little creativity and imagination.
For me, it ruins the enjoyment of a show when you're faced with such blatant inconsistencies. That's why I probably wont be watching the show*. Not becasue I have some generic hate for Discovery; but becasue no matter how good the story is, with such jarring incongruity, I wont be able to enjoy it.
It wouldn't take much to stay faithful to the Pike era look AND look advanced and futuristic. Just a little creativity and imagination.
For me, it ruins the enjoyment of a show when you're faced with such blatant inconsistencies. That's why I probably wont be watching the show*. Not becasue I have some generic hate for Discovery; but becasue no matter how good the story is, with such jarring incongruity, I wont be able to enjoy it.
Maybe ST just isn't for you then, 'cause if you love Trek you have to be able to live with the visual inconsistencies.. it's been a part of Trek's fabric for decades, most noticably starting with TMP.. but don't forget the visual re-imagining of the Borg for First Contact for instance... whenever Trek got more money to spend or work with newer technologies, it would show on the screen... you see it with so many long running franchises. My advice: get over it, choose substance over style and just enjoy the fact that what we have been waiting for for over 12 years is finally about to happen: Trek on tv is back..!!!
It's been 51 years man.............your loss if THAT keeps you from enjoying a show.
