Reveal: New transporter design!
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I'm not sure about that. I know the TMP sets were redressed for certain episodes like "Yesterday's Enterprise" but the primary TNG Enterprise sets I believe were built from scratch, like the bridge, crew quarters, and engineering.
These TNG sets were however redressed for STV and STVI, and most obvious in 6: the dinner scene is clearly filmed in TNG's observation lounge, engineering is obviously the TNG warp core, the transporter room was obviously from TNG... sickbay was also the same set, they just darkened the lights so you didn't notice.
I read somewhere once too that for the Enterprise-A's corridors they simply made the TNG hallways slightly narrower by pushing in the walls, and added some piping on the ceiling.
One movie, in one direction, four in the other.
I still struggle between V and Nemesis. I think what makes Nemesis so terrible and unredeemable is that the characters hardly even resemble their TV counterparts. At least in V Kirk, Spock, and Co. are recognizable as the characters we know and love (even if they are being telepathically manipulated).
Some of those you have backwards - http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/reused_ship_interiors.htm
Mostly the reuse was movie-> TNG, with the exception, as you pointed out, of Star Trek VI.
TMP's costumes were also reused extensively, the Starfleet uniforms were dyed and used for the remainder of the movies as the enlisted costumes, and the Klingon costumes were used for years.
If by "Closest to TNG" you mean this supposed big budget feature came across as a mediocre TNG TV episode withj HORRIBLE dialog and juvenile humor that really wasn't funny with lines like:
Data: "And have you noticed your Boobs have started to firm up?"
or Worf's Klingon pimple.
Then there's ridiculous garbage like Stewart's and Worf's shuttle scene where the sing "A British Tar" to distract Data...WTF?
The script was crap and a lot of the performances cringeworthy (even with good actors like F. Murray Abraham buried in layers of prosthetic makeup.)
There's a reason there was a 2 year gap between ST:GEN and ST:FC but a 4 year gap between ST:INS and ST:NEM (which also had a crap script and cringworthy performances and had a chilling effect on Tom Hardy's career for a time afterwards.)
ST:INS was a TV script they tried to make into a feature film (much like ST:GEN was - except ST:GEN was basking in the light of the popular end for TNG so audiences flocked to the film hoping the transition would be good.
The ONLY decent TNG film that felt like a big budget feature version of TNG was Star Trek: First Contact - with some nice humor: "(The Drunk Deanna scene was honestly very funny); and a story that was 'action based' (although I myself hated that they in effect 'humanized the Borg with an individual 'Borg Queen' that suddenly had human-esque desires and could be negotiated with - but leave it to Brannon Braga to destroy one of the best Villain groups ever created for TNG - originally a 'force of nature' that couldn't be reasoned with - you resisted or were assimilated, period - UNTIL the 'Borg Queen' that is.
But, I digress.
Unfortunately true. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier was a true turd, front to back (and again TOS is my favorite series and the 23rd century my favorite Star Trek era, but facts are facts.)
Felt like a very Star Trek solution to me.
Can you just try something for me - play a song on your computer/phone/tablet, and then post this again - see if your computer in 2017 is 'distracted' by playing the song. If it is, I will cede this was a clever plot device.
Data had been tampered with.
Picard himself says 'He can fly a ship. He can anticipate tactical strategies. Clearly his brain is functioning.' But he can't apparently do so while singing a song? That doesn't make a lot of sense.
I think the Borg Queen is forgivable (in this appearance, not when she became something different on Voyager) and not just as a requirement to have a villain with a face in a big movie - which in itself is a lame reason, I give you V'Ger and the Whale probe as exhibits A and B. I like the concept of the 'one who is many', the personification of the voice of the collective in a single being, with the ability to extract knowledge, behaviour and tactics from the Borg's assimilated knowledge base - she acts flirty when it serves the Borg's goal, and cold and unfeeling when that serves the goal. She brings something to the Borg tactical options that armies of drones don't. There isn't a weird disconnect between her and the drones like there is in Voyager, and Krige's performance is perfect. They resisted the Trek temptation to tech the tech to explain her, she was just there. When Data tries to understand, she just waves it off. How could she be on that cube in BoBW? Because she isn't one drone who has been made captain, she is a personification of the collective consciousness, capable of manifesting anywhere in the collective (again, Voyager cocked this up).
And apparently ethics are something that can be simply programed in to a computer brain. Ethical decision making? There's an app for that!
$25 m for a 2 hour pilot in a big budget TV show, especially if you're including a lot of the setup costs, is actually kinda reasonable.
Mostly. The corridors were completely reassembled into new sets using nearly all the same pieces, half the Engineering was kept with some redressing and the rest of the set was new (for TNG). Sickbay and Ten Forward were completely new in S2 of TNG, in S1 I think they redressed one of the TMP sets.
The TWOK bridge was recycled for V-VI and later used as the Battle Bridge and a swing set on TNG.
I think the crew quarters were merely redressed for TNG but I'm not sure. The transporter room was rebuilt completely for TNG and again for VOY using the same set "framework" as TMP, basically reusing the same locations for wiring, overhead lighting and stuff while building a totally new set in the same exact location.
Well, not quite. The queen is destroyed in all three of her Voyager appearances, so I don't think we're meant to understand how she operates, or how she appears. There are no techsplanations here either. She was also destroyed in FC, and allegedly in BoBW. So that didn't change
She's a little different in that she doesn't use sex or seduction in Voyager. She also shows less emotion. Other than that, her role and statements are largely the same. I think the best Queen performance is the short but sweet appearance of Krige in Endgame followed by FC. Thompson looked the part but I don't much care for the American Queen.
Yes, and there was an effort to go for something really big in the premise, one that Roddenberry himself kept trying to do for years before hand: what if God came back and he wasn't really a good guy?
There is a lot in Final Frontier that I love. And there would have been even more had Paramount not dicked around with Shatner's budget. Unfortunately, there's also Spock's rocket boots, 79 decks on the Enterprise, Uhura naked, and three-breasted catwomen getting splashed into a 'pool-table'. It's such a bizarre mix. Marshmellons on one side, being one with the mountain on the other. Chekov getting to be 'keptin' ... and Scotty walking headfirst into a pipe. The amazing scene with McCoy's dad ... but then there's also General Korrd's belching. The first time I watched this movie, I came out puzzled ... did I like Trek V or not? And I still can't figure that one out!
That depends ... did the song come from Sony?
Wasn't there a writer's strike at that time? It always seemed to me they were forced to shoot (with a fixed release date, IIRC) from a script that could have been massaged a bit more in other circumstances. Wouldn't transform it into a masterpiece, but would be less jarring in its shifting moods, I think.
The film was snake-bitten in a lot of ways. There was the Writers' Guild strike, ILM was not able to commit their A or B crews to the effects, location shooting was delayed due to storms, and Paramount cut things due to budget.
There were script revisions done here and there, mostly from cast requests. Those were done, but the strike hampered a way to mitigate those changes.
It's a shame Shatner got the blame for all of that ... Takei had surprisingly positive things to say about Shatner as director, according to Wikipedia:
"Takei said that despite studio pressure to complete the film on time, Shatner maintained a creative and enthusiastic atmosphere on set. "I have enormous admiration for his ability to block that kind of pressure from seeping on to the set."Takei said that he found the biggest challenge of the film was learning to ride horses. Moreover, Takei acknowledged, "despite our sometimes strained personal history, I found working with Bill [Shatner] as a director to be surprisingly pleasant.""
I did enjoy reading Lisabeth Shatner's book on the making of TFF. She worked as her dad's assistant during the making, and it actually painted an even picture on the making of the movie. It didn't really make it out to be everything isn't her dad's fault, more reported what was going on.
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