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Jodie Whittaker is the 13th Doctor

Great news, I really can't wait to see how she does the Doctor.

To all the haters and complainers, just remember that it's canon that Time Lords aren't all obsessed and hung up on our primitive notions of gender.

Exactly. You know what else it's time to show that the Time Lords, and specifically the Doctor, aren't obsessed with or hung up on? Race. Great, we've got another lily white Doctor. They could've killed two birds with one stone and made the Doctor a female of color, but nope. Safe and white. Maybe next time. They also need to ditch the "British alien" aspect of the show and start giving us Doctors played by actors from other countries who speak with their native accents. It's fucking ridiculous that an alien from a race of people who can "be anyone" has only been white, British people. Time for the Doctor to be played by Pakistani, Australian, American, Russian, Nigerian, Chinese, Indian, French, Native American, etc, etc actors of both genders, speaking in their native accents and have that Doctor show a respect and love for those cultures as he has for British culture. Currently the Doctor goes on and on about the wonders of all kinds of space cultures, but ignores the wonders and vast diversity of cultures here on Earth. It's long past time for the Doctor to be a truly global character, portrayed by actors who represent ALL races and nationalities, not just white Britons.

There is nothing, anywhere, that says the Doctor has to have a British or UK accent or be all in love with British culture. All he needs to be is a shapeshifting alien in a box with a sonic screwdriver resolving conflicts in time and space. Frankly they should've just rebooted the show and started with a non white, non British, female actress in order to show that this new Doctor could indeed "be anyone". And yes, I'm dead serious. I have no time for "I want change.....but no further than this". Be truly bold or fuck off.

On the upside, it's good to see Jodie Whitaker who played Peggy Bell from Return To Cranford again. There she played a woman who's love interest was Tom Hiddleston. I still think of him as "the guy from Return To Cranford" since that was my first exposure to him. My first thought upon seeing 13's reveal was "Hey, it's the lady from Return to Cranford"! The sappy romantic in me loves this vid, but sadly, it's also a reminder of how repressed women were in this time.
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I enjoyed her there and will most likely enjoy her as the Doctor. She's not some noob actress, so I don't know why they're "introducing" her to us as the Doctor. Is this a British thing? Because here in the states, you only get that for your first screen role, after that, it's just your name and character in the credits. It wasn't "Introducing Henry Cavil as Superman", because it wasn't his first screen role.


To Starsuperion: correct me if I'm wrong here, but I'm guessing you support equal rights for women, equal pay for women, and have zero problem with strong female protagonists in leading roles. I'm guessing your objection to the casting of a female Doctor is due to the 50 year real world history of the Doctor being male, in addition to the in-universe 2000 year old Doctor having always been a male. On Classic Who the Time Lords seemed to have genders and if you were male, you regenerated into a male (ala The Doctor and Master) and if you were female you regenerated into a female (ala Romana). I'm also going to assume that you'd be upset, but less so, if the female replacing the Doctor had been another female Time Lord, say his daughter, Susan, Romana or a new character? Because it would've been easy to do that. "The Doctor" is a title. Nothing more. There is nothing, nothing at all anywhere, that says "The Doctor" has to be the same being we've been watching for the past 50 years.

So if you answered "yes" to all of those, and I'm guessing you did, then no, you're not a "sexist" in the way some here are trying to portray you. There's a difference between thinking women don't deserve equal rights, or lesser pay for the same job, or are just all out inferior to men and thinking "Hey, I kinda like the old way this t.v. show did things." One is a way of life that ultimately deprives others of their rights, the other one a trivial preference about a pretend person on tv. Part of the problem was using the "SJW" label. Once you use that, well people's brains shut off and they go into defensive mode. And in the case of some people, for good reason.

Some people take that insult personally because they're out in the world, giving their time at homeless shelters, women's shelters, helping Big Brother / Big Sister programs, drug rehab programs, or working tirelessly to get legislation passed or politicians elected who can bring about the sort of changes they believe will make things better for the wide variety of groups that don't enjoy the same privileges of society that others enjoy. And they don't like that passion or hard work being trivialized, or their motives questioned. That's understandable. But those are not the people for whom the term was invented. The term was invented for a specific group of people. The ones who do nothing about the injustices in the world but talk and berate others. Who are all talk and no action. I've seen the religious version of these folks too many times in my life and I have no kind words for that group as they do nothing more than hamper the efforts of those out in the trenches doing the actual work of changing the world. Having been here for a long time and being familiar with many of the posters who were giving you shit, I know them to be a passionate group who are actually getting out and changing the world, instead of just being some slob typing about it on the internet, so it's understandable that they'd react so strongly.

I'm sure you'll disagree with me that the Doctor should be portrayed by all nationalities and both genders, but I won't castigate you for preferring a more traditional approach to a fictional character.

It's just a t.v. show after all.
 
It's interesting, Ron Moore's BSG also generated unnecessary controversy over gender swapping a character (which worked pretty damn fine for that show, BTW) and that show also provided a saying that applies to this situation:
"All of this has happened before and will happen again."
People in 2003 learned to deal with and accept a female Starbuck, people in 2017 will learn to accept and deal with a female Doctor. Female Starbuck proved so popular that other BSG reboots that have been considered since Moore's show ended have considered keeping Starbuck female, while for all we know, Jodie Whitaker's Doctor might end up being more popular and successful than even Tom Baker.
I really liked the new Power Rangers film and one idea I liked for a sequel was having the Green Ranger, Tommy Oliver, be a girl this time around.
 
I am glad this has finally happened. :adore:

It's about time.

I agree 100% with both of you.
I'm all about female power and 1st female to do something. 1st female president-(Could've been Hilary Clinton in 2016), 1st female vice president-(Could've been Geraldine Ferraro in 1984), 1st female astronaut in space-(Sally Ride), 1st female anything and now, (drum roll), the 1st female Doctor on Doctor Who. I think I feel my Doctor Who fandom returning. Haven't been this excited about Doctor Who since Day Of The Doctor on November 23, 2013. Female Doctor and Female Master-(Missy)...that could be interesting. I love the chemistry between Peter Capaldi's Doctor and Michelle Gomez's Master. Can't wait to see what the chemistry will be like between Michelle and Jodie. And here I thought it was a good thing I'd lost interest in Doctor Who because I was thinking I was probably going to hate Chibnall as showrunner. Since Jodie will be the Doctor when Chibnall takes over as showrunner, I'd be willing to bet he had some say in the next Doctor being female. So, now I'm starting to warm up to Chibnall as showrunner.
Oh, one more thing...
Here is the actual Doctor count:
01...Hartnell
02...Troughton
03...Jon Pertwee
04...Tom Baker
05...Peter Davison
06...Colin Baker
07...McCoy
08...McGann
09...John Hurt--His Doctor may not have used the name The Doctor but he's still an incarnation/a regeneration of the Doctor
10...Eccleston
11...Tennant
12...Tennant-(wasted regeneration in Journey's end)
13...Smith
14...Peter Capaldi
15...Whittaker
In Time Of The Doctor, Matt Smith's Doctor asked Clara if she had forgot about John Hurt's Doctor.
Clara said: Okay, so you're number 12.
Matt Smith's Doctor replied (referring to David Tennant's Doctor): 10 once regenerated and kept the same face. I had vanity issues at the time.
I'm sure that 10 keeping the same face remark was a reference to the wasted regeneration in Journey's End.
So, based on this argument, Jodie will be Doctor #15. :p
 
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Look them up on YouTube...their whole think is a dark hooded lady walking or running through woods, ruins, that sort of thing. XD

I'll go check it out. I was refering to her look of wonder and amazement.
 
Trans means across, cis means same side. You don't get to say you are the norm and default while trans people are something else. Just like how heterosexual people don't get to say they aren't heterosexual because they're the norm and the default. You're just another kind of people like everyone else. You're also binary, as opposed to non-binary. More labels will be added as we become more accepting of the wide variety of humans.

I do not care about there being word, I just don't like the word chosen. XD
 
Except for the gender of the showrunner. ;)

Doctor Who has only had 2 showruners, its not doing so bad.
If you are going back to he olden days, Who's first producer was a woman, and it's last and longest running was a gay man. Not that it matters, since these thing have no bearing on how good they are at their job.
 
Except Timelords changing Genders can't be considered a Retcon. Classic Who never talked about the subject. There was no single line in Classic Who about The Doctor having a fixated Gender or not. This matter was introduced in Nu-Who. So, nope, it doesn't break any type of Continuity.

You can't just say a show did a Retcon for breaking your Headcanon. It doesn't matter if the Headcanon is very old or shared by a lot of people. Writers and Producers have no obligation of following it.

Saying a Female Doctor is a breach of Continuity is the same as if somebody in 1966 said William Hartnell changing into Patrick Troughton was a breach of Continuity.

How dare they introduce this new concept called "Regeneration" ? My headcanon told me Hartnell would be replaced by a brand new character or that the Series would simply end with the Doctor's death. :lol:

Time Lords, Time Ladies, and Time Tots. In the context of the time it was made it's quite obvious. Can they retcon it? Sure. They did. But let's not pretend it's something that was changed a bit....same as rejeuvanation, one hearts, aspirins that kill, and half human on his mother's side.
 
Doctor Who has only had 2 showruners, its not doing so bad.

The new one is a male too, isn't he?

If you are going back to he olden days, Who's first producer was a woman, and it's last and longest running was a gay man. Not that it matters, since these thing have no bearing on how good they are at their job.

Yes, I know but I didn't say anything about the quality of their work.

Aah, the good old days, when creative women had to change their initials to be accepted (D.C. Fontana). :D
 
I agree with the reaction here, it is a perfect example of reasonable worriedness w/o sexism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsYEkdoMfz0

I feel like the dude in this video..and that should be okay.


This reminded me that Davison had made an interesting point regarding the prospect of a female Doctor (though personally I expect it'll turn out that he needn't have worried).

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You're the only one I see fighting here.

Nobody here uses cis as an insult. Nothing to fight over, really.

Oh, I am not fighting anywhere here. Nor did I say it was here I see Cis bandied about as an insult. Nor have I, at any pointed insulted anyone here. This tangent isn't even a mild disagreement, more a discussion of linguistics..I don't like word...I wonder if a different one would work better. I am not remotely interested in the politics of it, being what you would call quite enlightened about the subject.
Just to reiterate on the winding point as things get confusing, I am fifty fifty on new girl doctor, with a slight lean to the meh. Would have helped if I had actually seen her in anything.
 
The new one is a male too, isn't he?



Yes, I know but I didn't say anything about the quality of their work.

Aah, the good old days, when creative women had to change their initials to be accepted (D.C. Fontana). :D

Oh, I make no defence of he olden days, but I thought we were talking about Who and it's corner.
And yeah..Chibnall is a male...is gender the only thing that matters? RTD was a gay male, Moffat a straight one....it had male and female producers in that time. Moffat probably did more for putting women on the production team side than anyone else, but is demonised as a sexist in some corners of the Internet. So the whole think is a pickle and a mess, with battlelines drawn and blurred.
 
Oh, I make no defence of he olden days, but I thought we were talking about Who and it's corner.
And yeah..Chibnall is a male...is gender the only thing that matters? RTD was a gay male, Moffat a straight one....it had male and female producers in that time. Moffat probably did more for putting women on the production team side than anyone else, but is demonised as a sexist in some corners of the Internet. So the whole think is a pickle and a mess, with battlelines drawn and blurred.

Firstly, a gay male is a male btw, so if I talk about men and women, I talk about gender and not sexual preferences. Those are different things.

But I never said that gender is the only thing that matters.

But there is a tendency: Star Trek, Star Wars, Doctor Who have female leads now while behind the cameras there is business as usual: white straight males in charge (with the occasional exception, so you don't have to make a list).
 
Good decision. Naturally heard about this earlier in the day. Seeing some of the back lash to the news, but seems the majority of people are happy with the news. Bring on the new doctor.

On the companion, like the idea of mates flying around. Doesn't bother me what the gender is - as look as the stories are good.
 
Firstly, a gay male is a male btw, so if I talk about men and women, I talk about gender and not sexual preferences. Those are different things.

But I never said that gender is the only thing that matters.

But there is a tendency: Star Trek, Star Wars, Doctor Who have female leads now while behind the cameras there is business as usual: white straight males in charge (with the occasional exception, so you don't have to make a list).

Shrug. Talking about Who, there's been two shiwrunners...yes both male...but that wasn't why they fit the job, they knew the show and its history intimately, loved it, and both had a strong history of writing TV shows for adults and children, and had won awards for doing so....going back many many years.Thats why they got the job. Their choice of pants and what they do with the contents was not remotely a factor.
Going back to the matter in hand, I wish they had gone for a black British doctor....ever since Paterson Joseph basically played that as the Marquis in Neverwhere, I have been quite pro the idea. On the subject of Neverwhere, that's a female Doctor I would have found easier to have higher hopes of...wassername. Forgotten the name, but she was a velvet in Neverwhere, Fran in Black Books and was in Green Wing with Gomez I think. She would have been good, and I would still have been sad re my feelings re: role models for little boys being important, but I would have enough familiarity with the actor (whose name will no doubt come to me in about five minutes....oh the irony.) to at least have a good feeling about how it works out...as it stands, we have an overall writer I have no faith in, and an actor I have zero experience of seeing...aside from a faint possibility I sat through part of a St.Trinians she was in.
Going back to your point...I don't know of any big female writers, TV or otherwise, that have the level of familiarity with the show that RTD or the Moff have. To be fair, there's probably only a handful of successful TV people that come close to those two in that area, and Gatiss is one of them.
 
Time Lords, Time Ladies, and Time Tots. In the context of the time it was made it's quite obvious.

I don't know if it's obvious. Just because they called the Women Time Ladies and the Men Time Lords it doesn't automatically imply a Time Lord can't become a Time Lady and vice versa. There was no specific line, plot or dialogue that explicitly said "Look, the Doctor always has to be a Time Lord and he can't be a Time Lady" in Classic Who.

And I mean, yeah, it's quite safe to say off screen people concluded he couldn't swap genders, because of the morals of the time. That doesn't mean anything if those assumptions didn't make into on screen material.

The Two Hearts thing, yes, that's an actual example of a Retcon. During The Sensorites the Doctor implied he had only one Heart. Something negating Gender Swap, though ? Nope. I honestly can't remember a thing.

Like some people mentioned here, even Sydney Newman was fond of the idea of a Female Doctor. Maybe that's why they never wasted their time trying to make into canon that he was fixated as a Man, so it could be an open lane for future writers getting to develop the Gender subject.
 
I don't know if it's obvious. Just because they called the Women Time Ladies and the Men Time Lords it doesn't automatically imply a Time Lord can't become a Time Lady and vice versa. There was no specific line, plot or dialogue that explicitly said "Look, the Doctor always has to be a Time Lord and he can't be a Time Lady" in Classic Who.

And I mean, yeah, it's quite safe to say off screen people concluded he couldn't swap genders, because of the morals of the time. That doesn't mean anything if those assumptions didn't make into on screen material.

The Two Hearts thing, yes, that's an actual example of a Retcon. During The Sensorites the Doctor implied he had only one Heart. Something negating Gender Swap, though ? Nope. I honestly can't remember a thing.

Like some people mentioned here, even Sydney Newman was fond of the idea of a Female Doctor. Maybe that's why they never wasted their time trying to make into canon that he was fixated as a Man, so it could be an open lane for future writers getting to develop the Gender subject.

I think until recently no one put that much thought into it, and Syndney Newman was largely giving a quote for the fun of it by the nineties...and was also likely to choose Joanna Lumley because he fancied her, or she was practically the only SF TV actress he could think of at short notice.
Shame they wasted Keeley Hawes on that bank episode really. Buts she's been Lara Croft so is probably only allowed one icon a career.
 
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