And was handled terribly too.
Spoilers Spider-Man: Homecoming-- Grading and Discussion
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After 15 years, we finally got a great Spider-Man film.
I know a lot of people will disagree with that, but Homecoming"actually felt like a film about a young and inexperienced Peter Parker trying to find his place in the world, both as a superhero and a teenager. Despite the Marvel Cinematic Universe trappings (which are completely unavoidable), this film also presents a loyal adaptation of Spider-Man's early career without focusing so heavily on origin canon.
Is it perfect or even one of the best Marvel films? No, but at least I wasn't regularly cringing from bad acting and cheesy writing either.
One of the things I loved the most about the film, after Tom Holland's excellent dual role, was Adrian Toomes was treated not as an outright villain with mad plans, but a working man who felt like he been screwed over by the government. While it didn't delve into the issue deeply (and I'm glad it didn't), it did touch upon the whole issue of privilege and how that effects people. That being said, he did have a pretty sweet looking house for a salvage worker. I guess that came along after he got into the alien-tech business.
I also liked how the film had four different villains but it didn't feel crowded or forced. Granted the Vulture and the Shocker were the primary and secondary, and the Tinkerer was only a background villain, while Mac Gargan was merely a set-up. I know Michael Mando from Orphan Black and Better Call Saul, so I was surprised he initially appeared in a bit role (and I thought he died when a car crashed into him on the ferry, but I guess I was wrong), but I'm glad he's planned to return. I wonder if they'll introduce J. Jonah Jameson in the next film as part of that set-up.
I love how the film ended with Aunt May discovering Peter's secret and getting cut off from a curse. They've broken all of the rules with her character and I actually don't mind. Helps that she's played by the always amazing Marisa Tomei.
Hopefully with their appearance in this film, the show on the Damage Control team is still on? That's aspect of the Marvel Cinematic Universe I'm quite interested in seeing more of and I can see a lot potential in.
So I guess Tony and Pepper are back together? That whole scene was a bit weird and I bet some people absolutely hate it, but I enjoyed seeing her again. I'm guessing it's set-up for events in the upcoming Infinity War films.
I haven't read the thread yet, so I'm sure someone already pointed this out, but did I hear correctly that was one of the weapons the Shocker was trying to sell Aaron Davis was Terrigen-based? If so, isn't that the first reference of any kind to any of the shows?
I know a lot of people will disagree with that, but Homecoming"actually felt like a film about a young and inexperienced Peter Parker trying to find his place in the world, both as a superhero and a teenager. Despite the Marvel Cinematic Universe trappings (which are completely unavoidable), this film also presents a loyal adaptation of Spider-Man's early career without focusing so heavily on origin canon.
Is it perfect or even one of the best Marvel films? No, but at least I wasn't regularly cringing from bad acting and cheesy writing either.
One of the things I loved the most about the film, after Tom Holland's excellent dual role, was Adrian Toomes was treated not as an outright villain with mad plans, but a working man who felt like he been screwed over by the government. While it didn't delve into the issue deeply (and I'm glad it didn't), it did touch upon the whole issue of privilege and how that effects people. That being said, he did have a pretty sweet looking house for a salvage worker. I guess that came along after he got into the alien-tech business.
I also liked how the film had four different villains but it didn't feel crowded or forced. Granted the Vulture and the Shocker were the primary and secondary, and the Tinkerer was only a background villain, while Mac Gargan was merely a set-up. I know Michael Mando from Orphan Black and Better Call Saul, so I was surprised he initially appeared in a bit role (and I thought he died when a car crashed into him on the ferry, but I guess I was wrong), but I'm glad he's planned to return. I wonder if they'll introduce J. Jonah Jameson in the next film as part of that set-up.
I love how the film ended with Aunt May discovering Peter's secret and getting cut off from a curse. They've broken all of the rules with her character and I actually don't mind. Helps that she's played by the always amazing Marisa Tomei.
Hopefully with their appearance in this film, the show on the Damage Control team is still on? That's aspect of the Marvel Cinematic Universe I'm quite interested in seeing more of and I can see a lot potential in.
So I guess Tony and Pepper are back together? That whole scene was a bit weird and I bet some people absolutely hate it, but I enjoyed seeing her again. I'm guessing it's set-up for events in the upcoming Infinity War films.
I haven't read the thread yet, so I'm sure someone already pointed this out, but did I hear correctly that was one of the weapons the Shocker was trying to sell Aaron Davis was Terrigen-based? If so, isn't that the first reference of any kind to any of the shows?
Funny, I feel that way about the Saim Raimi movies. I still feel the only reason people look fondly on his trilogy is because of childhood-colored glasses. Everyone always called Spiderman 2 one of the best sequels and one of the best comicbook movies. A few months, I rewatched it after years, and couldn't believe how bad it was.
I'll be seeing Homecoming tonight, so I'll post my thoughts and feeling on it later tonight or tomorrow.
I was in my 30s when those came out, so...sorry, wrong brush.
You mean it was good.
Anyways, the Raimi films good for what they were and it's easy and safe to say they were "Directorial Passion" because there weren't many CBMs back then while the MCU is a CBM Producing Machine. That discounts the clear passion for their work that the MCU people have for their productions.
Maybe that means you're still the cool kid?
No, I understand what you mean. I was making that comment based on my own perceptions, this ofcourse doesn't apply to others. If you feel I judged you or made a negative comment about you in any way, I'm sorry.
if you were disappointed with spiderman 2, you would be more disappointed with homecoming. the raimi films were better and had more emotion and depth to them and were not afraid to make spiderman grow up and deal with adult issues.
people speak fondly of the raimi trilogy because it was a better time for comic films compared to the generic formulaic crap fest we have now with most mcu movies that are all the same, look the same and feel the same. there is little substance in homecoming like all MCU movies. if the old spiderman movies are bad by your standard homecoming will be laughable fanfiction.
no, it means it was generic and lacked substance. lots of fun, cool fight scenes but nothing smart or unique with the film making.
Sorry, I just rewatched the whole Raimi Trilogy, and I will still say the first two Raimi movies are better than Homecoming (IMHO, YMMV) simply because Sam Raimi got to do the classic version of the character.
But to say that that was a better time for superhero movies in general makes me believe that you're so divorced from reality that there must be some level of alimony involved.
But to say that that was a better time for superhero movies in general makes me believe that you're so divorced from reality that there must be some level of alimony involved.
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*Goes into the cellar, gets that prized bottle of 1985 Pinot Noir, opens it, pours a glas, takes a very long sip, reads that sentence again, ruins laptop.*
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Just came back. Sam Raimi could learn a thing or two from Homecoming. Best Spider-Man movie in my opinion.
And please, get of your soapbox when it comes to your opinion about the MCU. It's all you post about really, and it's getting old. You're not debating or having an opinion, you're quoting your own scripture. We get it, you hate the MCU. Move on.
The first Raimi movie is great in terms of design and really bringing the classic comics to life. But good god is it incredibly cheesy and schmaltzy in places
"When she got out of the car, and you saw her for the first time you grabbed me and said, "Aunt May, Aunt May, is that an angel?""
*vomit all over the place*
"When she got out of the car, and you saw her for the first time you grabbed me and said, "Aunt May, Aunt May, is that an angel?""
*vomit all over the place*
THIS!!! EXACTLY THIS!!!! Why do people keep saying the Raimi movies were Gold, when it had lines like this??
I have no problem with certain amount of schmaltz. The last thing I want any superhero movie to do is take itself too seriously.
And it's not as if the original source material by Stan Lee was without its shmaltzy moments.
And it's not as if the original source material by Stan Lee was without its shmaltzy moments.
No one is considering this Spider-Man 6. For one thing, the Garfield films are usually dismissed (for a wealth of valid reasons), along with Sony saying there would be no additional Garfield films. Further, the big announcement of Spider-Man appearing in Captain America: Civil War was the hard break letting all know that a new Spider-Man was part of the MCU--a status not shared by any other adaptation. Come on, do you really think its all a blur to audiences? That would be the same as saying audiences thought the 2008 Incredible Hulk was just another installment of Ang Lee's Hulk film from 2003. People are not asleep--they know the Raimi films, the Garfield films and now the MCU Spider-Man are all independent of the other, and the media announcements (which you don't have to be a hardcore fan to be aware of)make that clear.
Taking such a powerful comic sequence and reducing it to Stark's thin speech being the motivator was not enough. It just used the comic influence, but did not have any kind of matching internal struggle worthy of the effort of lifting great weight off of his body. There wan not an ounce of drama in that scene.
TASM2 just shoehorned in every plot they thought was expected...in other words, everything was a ridiculous foreshadowing of Harry going bad and Gwen dying. By the time it happens, its more "its about time" than any sort of shock or emotional scene.
Exactly. And if anyone did not care about Garfield's Spider-Man going through his mental-case motions, they were not caring about his parents.
I--like others--was not a child when Raimi's S-M films were released, and I know the difference between a comic-book film with heart, drama and purpose, and light fluff not much better than an episode of the Power Rangers.
Accurate assessment. There was not much substance in Homecoming at all, and it was necessary--it cannot all be a "well, wait for the sequel" matter either, when it was important to get it right in this first film.
Never mind general audiences, there have been people in this very forum who've insisted that the Ang Lee Hulk film is part of the MCU.
They are the exception, not the rule...and let's be honest--they must have been asleep when the mainstream media mentioned reboots, the Holland Spider-Man being a part of the MCU, etc.
The first two Raimi movies definitely hold up for me as well. Raimi loved the character so much that the first movie especially was the first time that a comic book movie came to life for me. Actual panels from the comics were there on screen.
The new movie is very good though--it was a lot of fun bringing my kids to see and Tom Holland is my favorite Peter Parker.
For all the people criticizing current Superhero movies, all I have to say is that there was a time when there were literally no good Superhero movies--many years of time. The two Donner Superman films were the only good ones. Batman 89 was a big hit and I accepted it for what it was but it was never Batman for me.
I am so happy to have this period right now when Marvel and DC are bringing all my childhood wishes come true. It is like when Apple created the Ipad--it was what I had waited for my entire life. For now, even the poorer films are better than nearly everything we've had before.
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