Voyager vs the Borg

[at Quark's]

^Well, I never commented on 'Unimatrix Zero' (others did).

Personally, I have more difficulties with 'dark frontier'. Janeway, Tom Paris, and EMH going up in the Delta Flyer not only against a single cube, but against a (probably) major Borg power hub and still managing to escape with 7, having no other technological advantage than those biodampening fields, which shouldn't have been advantages at all since the knowledge of which was assimilated by the Borg anyway.

The only way to make that even halfway credible to me is assuming the queen wanted 7 to escape, again (as the queen says earlier in that episode 7 was 'put on voyager', which I don't believe, already, I think it is just the queen bluffing).

 

[Prax]

In the original script for First Contact, they had a whole fleet of cubes attacking. And the Federation was winning. All those new ships in the movie were part of some new Borg task force. There's some line from the Admiral about "We've destroyed 40 cubes and have only lost 10 vessels." (Paraphrasing)

I really don't like the episode Unimatrix Zero. Having Janeway get assimilated, Seven's imposter boyfriend, "Klingon Borg warrior dude," an American Borg Queen, etc, were dumb imo. If there was one Borg episode too many, that was it.

However, I really liked Dark Frontier. It followed up on the Hansens and story from Raven, They undertake a dangerous adventure to steal some tech, Seven "sacrifices" herself so the Borg won't assimilate Voyager, et al.

I also think the best representation of the Queen in her 4 appearances was in Endgame. Alice Krige is just better in the role, I think. And in this episode, she's a little more alien than in First Contact. She's not concerned with any stupid Vendettas, she doesn't care about Voyager. She just doesn't want them in her Nebula.

Also, in my mind, they finally got the right virus to disable the Borg once and for all.

 

[at Quark's]

^No complaints about the story of dark frontier itself, it is a good story and has excellent entertainment value. In fact, I think I'll rewatch it tonight. I'm just saying I don't think it's very plausible that 2 starfleet officers and a hologram in a souped-up shuttle are able to outwit that massive Borg complex with all its processing power and abduct 7 from under the Queen's nose. It sure makes the Borg look incompetent.

 

[Prax]

You're probably right.

 

[Voth commando1]

Eh, when it comes to the virus and endgame I'm more sympathetic to the Beta Canon interpretation it gave the Borg a kick in the groin/bloody nose but didn't destroy them just made them more determined to crush the federation.

 

[Voth commando1]

At the end of endgame itself it didn't imply the Borg were destroyed totally and forever yeah our heroes beat em one final time on screen but not that they were gone forever.

 

[Voth commando1]

I recall just seeing the queen killed and their transwarp network destroyed. A heavy blow to be sure-like every US military base blown up with the president assassinated in a simaltaneous terrorist attack(to give a hypothetical RL analogy) but it didn't destroy them.

 

[Stephen!]

I don't think it's very plausible that 2 starfleet officers and a hologram in a souped-up shuttle are able to outwit that massive Borg complex

Three. Tuvok, Paris and Janeway.

 

[Voth commando1]

And only by the skin of their teeth IIRC

 

[Prax]

Eh, when it comes to the virus and endgame I'm more sympathetic to the Beta Canon interpretation it gave the Borg a kick in the groin/bloody nose but didn't destroy them just made them more determined to crush the federation.

Well, in my mind they did. I've never read any Trek novels, but I've read ALOT of SW novels. I've read the description of the "Borg Invasion and it reminds me of the Yuuzhan Vong story(which I did like). I just wouldn't want something like that in Trek. It's like they have to keep amplifying the crisis, death, destruction, and war.

To me, the Borg are done for. The remnants are probably causing havoc wherever they're from, but Earth is safe.

 

[Voth commando1]

I did read Destiny and you know the Yuuzhan Vong comparison is a good one. It's a high stakes story that ends with the redemption of the invaders-the Vong go back to their Eden, and the Borg join the Caeliar.

Funny that-very similar.

 

[at Quark's]

Three. Tuvok, Paris and Janeway.

I stand corrected. It was a long time ago I watched that episode and I entirely forgot about Tuvok being along for the ride. (Rewatched it this weekend though!)