I'm curious as to why it matters who said it - the argument stands regardless. It was no official statement, it was just somebody's opinion.
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Spoilers The Doctor Falls (Grade & Discussion Thread)
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I'm curious as to why it matters who said it - the argument stands regardless. It was no official statement, it was just somebody's opinion.
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Are you claiming parallel evolution?
It's a trillion trillion trillion times more likely that the Silurians were farming Earthling meat on Mondas, than that parallel evolution happened.
Weren't they also made for An Adventure in Space & Time?
Yes, but there's something else going on with Mondas. The planet looks exactly like Earth. (There's even the fan theory that some of the Doctor's adventures that seem to take place on Earth, like "The Tribe of Gum," actually take place on Mondas before it was flung from its orbit.) Mondas is more than a case of Hodgkin's Law of Parallel Planetary Development. It is literally Earth's twin, as impossible and improbable as that is.
Personally, I suspect Time Lord interference, that for some reason they duplicated the planet in its entirety using their weird super-science. The question then becomes which is the original, Earth or Mondas? Or this a case where it doesn't matter; a difference that makes no difference is no difference? In this case, Earth is probably the original due to the presence and chemical composition of the Moon (the chemical composition indicates the two were the same body at one time), while Mondas had no moon. The Time Lord duplication of Earth may not have extended as far as duplicating the moon. Then you get into the question of when the Time Lords did this. 100 thousand years ago? More? Less? Perhaps even within recorded history?
So, here's something that was just pointed out to me. During the montage of companions at the end, Clara was included, despite the fact the Doctor shouldn't be able to remember her.
Because I would be interested in reading more of their theory/opinion and the context it was said because I find it interesting.
No. I answered your original question and stated what was said on screen concerning the origin of the uber-ship.
Rule number one, The Doctor lies.
So he might be lying about forgetting her, or the regeneration has kicked in a bit and restored those memories.
You should all go to YT and search Doctor who reaction. These videos consist mainly of people shouting "WHOA!" or "NONONONONO!!" or boggling right at the end at who appears out of the mist, with much clapping or fist pumping. There will be some crying as well.
Well a quick Google search returns this article that was in a Newspaper
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-that-missing-the-point-entirely-8649972.html
FWIW, I have never, ever thought the Doctor had forgotten (or repressed) Clara.
Because what would happen would be this -- the Doctor would recognize an enormous gap in his memories, he'd want to figure out what that gap was and why it was there, and he'd want to figure out what he'd forgotten. He'd investigate, he'd backtrack his adventures, he's rummage through the TARDIS, he'd make inquires. And he'd put it all together, probably very quickly.
No, better for everyone if they just pretend the Doctor had forgotten. Gives everyone plausible deniability.
FWIW, I have never, ever thought the Doctor had forgotten (or repressed) Clara.
Because what would happen would be this -- the Doctor would recognize an enormous gap in his memories, he'd want to figure out what that gap was and why it was there, and he'd want to figure out what he'd forgotten. He'd investigate, he'd backtrack his adventures, he's rummage through the TARDIS, he'd make inquires. And he'd put it all together, probably very quickly.
No, better for everyone if they just pretend the Doctor had forgotten. Gives everyone plausible deniability.
I lean the same way as you.
So, The Doctor Falls really was a typo, wasn't it? It should have been The Doctor Fails.
OK, here be spoilers, for those behind...
Seriously...
Oh, it was entertaining, you know. Full of good lines, both witty and dramatic and meaningful. Well directed, yes, not got any problems there.
But... The Doctor Fails. I mean, not as a dig at the cast or crew, but literally, because that's what happened.
No, think about it. What usually happens in Dr Who? The Doctor is presented with a problem or issue - or multiples thereof, and solves them in some manner. So, what did he resolve in this season finale? Go on, think about it. I'll wait.
Well, he found out whether the Master would ever stand by him, sort of - he got to hear her "me too" but didn't get to hear her "I'll stand with him. But, then, the audience who remember toe Master in the Classic series know that the character occasionally still sides with the Doctor.
New viewers have a different view, since to them it now seems that friendship between them only works when they're of opposite genders - and of course there's going to be an accusation that this is because being female means she's softer and weaker, an accusation the Simm Master provides. The problem being that if you're not familiar with their classic-era collaborations, this accusation ends up appearing to be true.
So, Missy's story arc is resolved, OK.
Spaceship falling into black hole? Nope, it's still there, falling into black hole.
But Nardole got the children to safety, right? No, they went four floors up, so the Cybermen will be along shortly to kiill or convert them.
There are other problems with it.
Oh, yeah, Bill. I've no objection to not alive-but-not-dead space lesbians travelling through time and space as a happy ending. I do have an objection to it being the exact same fucking ending as in the last season finale. (Assuming it was real, and not just Bill's dying hallucination)
So, this is going to be one of those that is great at the time, popular, will get all the right praise from the right people, top the season polls,... and then be severely devalued upon repeat viewing because though stuffed fullof great actual moments, it's lacking in storyline substance, internal consistency or, well, any actual sense.
A bit like, say, Earthshock, in that regard.
Unless of course the intent was to deliver a story in which, yeah, the Doctor can't actually win or save the day - in which case you really need to address that either within the episode, or afterwards.
Which does lead one to wonder whether the Xmas Special (which I expect to be basically It's A Wonderful Life about why one has to move on (and regenerate) will end up having to come back and address that. Or pick up Nardole, whom Bill flat out left to die with all the kids...
OK, here be spoilers, for those behind...
Seriously...
Oh, it was entertaining, you know. Full of good lines, both witty and dramatic and meaningful. Well directed, yes, not got any problems there.
But... The Doctor Fails. I mean, not as a dig at the cast or crew, but literally, because that's what happened.
No, think about it. What usually happens in Dr Who? The Doctor is presented with a problem or issue - or multiples thereof, and solves them in some manner. So, what did he resolve in this season finale? Go on, think about it. I'll wait.
Well, he found out whether the Master would ever stand by him, sort of - he got to hear her "me too" but didn't get to hear her "I'll stand with him. But, then, the audience who remember toe Master in the Classic series know that the character occasionally still sides with the Doctor.
New viewers have a different view, since to them it now seems that friendship between them only works when they're of opposite genders - and of course there's going to be an accusation that this is because being female means she's softer and weaker, an accusation the Simm Master provides. The problem being that if you're not familiar with their classic-era collaborations, this accusation ends up appearing to be true.
So, Missy's story arc is resolved, OK.
Spaceship falling into black hole? Nope, it's still there, falling into black hole.
But Nardole got the children to safety, right? No, they went four floors up, so the Cybermen will be along shortly to kiill or convert them.
There are other problems with it.
Oh, yeah, Bill. I've no objection to not alive-but-not-dead space lesbians travelling through time and space as a happy ending. I do have an objection to it being the exact same fucking ending as in the last season finale. (Assuming it was real, and not just Bill's dying hallucination)
So, this is going to be one of those that is great at the time, popular, will get all the right praise from the right people, top the season polls,... and then be severely devalued upon repeat viewing because though stuffed fullof great actual moments, it's lacking in storyline substance, internal consistency or, well, any actual sense.
A bit like, say, Earthshock, in that regard.
Unless of course the intent was to deliver a story in which, yeah, the Doctor can't actually win or save the day - in which case you really need to address that either within the episode, or afterwards.
Which does lead one to wonder whether the Xmas Special (which I expect to be basically It's A Wonderful Life about why one has to move on (and regenerate) will end up having to come back and address that. Or pick up Nardole, whom Bill flat out left to die with all the kids...
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Ah, fair enough. Sorry if I sounded snippy, it seemed like you were accusing me of something and I couldn't quite figure out what. All good!
There you go - thanks MacLeod!
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I'm unsure as to why one would want to watch a reaction video of some randomer watching something. It sounds particularly boring and attention seeking.
Cheers for that, I'll have a gander when sat at my PC.
You came across as more than "snippy" and in no way was I accusing you of anything. I was merely curious of who would say what you recited.
FWIW, I have never, ever thought the Doctor had forgotten (or repressed) Clara.
No, better for everyone if they just pretend the Doctor had forgotten. Gives everyone plausible deniability.
I think the same way. However, that just serves to highlight how stupid the Hybrid plot point was!
I loved it. But, for the concurrent Star Trek fans here, I'm asking this:
Did anyone notice the "distressed transporter" sound around 20 minutes in, where the Doctor stumbles and a little regeneration energy is seen as he grasps a tree?
And then, when Bill realized that they might not get of this, the Doctor says, "There are always possibilities." These two lines are almost verbatim from different parts of The Wrath of Khan.
I don't know about you, but I squeed and punched my fist in the air.
Did anyone notice the "distressed transporter" sound around 20 minutes in, where the Doctor stumbles and a little regeneration energy is seen as he grasps a tree?
And then, when Bill realized that they might not get of this, the Doctor says, "There are always possibilities." These two lines are almost verbatim from different parts of The Wrath of Khan.
I don't know about you, but I squeed and punched my fist in the air.
So are we going with Capaldi's Doctor fighting the regneration just to stay himself. Tennant-esque?
Because when watching the episode the first time, there were places I got a more "It's my time" vibe from it. Less that the Doctor doesn't want to regenerate because he'll be somebody new, but more that he just doesn't want to regenerate at all. That he expected death, in the cold, hard and permanent sense.
But the last scene definitely felt more Tennant-esque.
Because when watching the episode the first time, there were places I got a more "It's my time" vibe from it. Less that the Doctor doesn't want to regenerate because he'll be somebody new, but more that he just doesn't want to regenerate at all. That he expected death, in the cold, hard and permanent sense.
But the last scene definitely felt more Tennant-esque.
I was hoping for something really oddball like "Kirk? Yes, I met him once".
I think the emotions were different. Tennant's doctor was mournful. His line about "I could do so much more" was mournful, like he was heart broken over the fact that this doctor would not be able to do any more great things. And his final line, "I don't want to go" was sad, with a hint of fear. It was like he was sad over his own "death" and afraid of changing. Capaldi's Doctor seems more angry and defiant about it, forcefully snuffing out the regeneration energy on several occasions and defiantly shouting "No! I will not change!" So Tennant was nostalgic and mournful over no longer being his doctor, full of regret over no longer being able to do great things, but Capaldi is more pissed at the universe that he has to change again. Remember for Capaldi's Doctor, he has regenerated over a dozen times. So I feel like his Doctor has regenerated so many times now, that he is sick and tired of it, hence the more defiant tone.
Not entirely clear on everything. I had thought from previous episodes that The Doctor was already dying especially when Missy sees him after she rescues him from Mars.
Nardole is left to fight off the remaining Cybermen and hopes to think of something?
Nardole is just nardole? He isn't a robot version of the one that died? He isn't river song? His story is finished?
Anyway, good episode. But it seems to me with all those final moments and brave lines this could have been a good place to end things.
Nardole is left to fight off the remaining Cybermen and hopes to think of something?
Nardole is just nardole? He isn't a robot version of the one that died? He isn't river song? His story is finished?
Anyway, good episode. But it seems to me with all those final moments and brave lines this could have been a good place to end things.
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