[Kurtz]The horror... The HORROR![/Kurtz]
CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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As for dead shows revived by fans I can give two recent examples.
1. MST3K Kickstarter
2. Timeless - cancelled for one day then renewed. Fan outcry was part of it but I think the other part was the studios relaxing some of the terms to make a deal happen.
Honestly though it doesn't happen often. Most save a show campaigns fail.
1. MST3K Kickstarter
2. Timeless - cancelled for one day then renewed. Fan outcry was part of it but I think the other part was the studios relaxing some of the terms to make a deal happen.
Honestly though it doesn't happen often. Most save a show campaigns fail.
Joel wanted to bring the show back. He's the one that put it on Kickstarter. It's not like the fan out cry when it was cancelled kept it on the air.
Joel saved it, the fans paid for it.
Edited to add: Joel also owned the rights, ironically, given this thread.
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Nuh-uh.
I mean, if that's the extent you wish to take it, then it requires no reply other than to suggest just because your child-like understanding of the matter leads you to believe there is only one possible way to finish the sentence "To 'take' something that doesn't belong to you is called . . . _________" does not mean there aren't other, better, more accurate, or more precise ways to finish that sentence.
Like copyright infringement, another similar area might be trespassing. Without fences or clearly marked signs, somebody stepping onto your property to pet your dog may be guilty of trespassing, but it's probably not a criminal act, and they aren't not stealing your land or your dog's affections, even if you never gave them explicit permission to step onto your land or pet your dog and use your property that way.
I thought you might like this example for its child-like simplicity of my yard, your yard, experiences of youth, and it has a doggie in it, too.
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That last page I think is key. He was trying to sell property he didn't own the rights for to Netflix who have actual deals with CBS and he was souring things for any future companies that might be interested in licensing Star Trek.
Lol. Again, I never called it a criminal act.
I just called the act of taking and using someone else's property stealing.
I don't know why you insist on taking something simple and needlessly complicating it. What are you trying to justify?
Is it wrong to stay the Rebels stole the plans to the Death Star or did they merely infringe on the rights of the Empire? It's not like they took the Death Star itself, just the idea of the Death Star.
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Definitely infringed. And then murdered a million Imperial soldiers in a lunatic terrorist attack.
And Greedo shot first!
The rebels were clearly mass murderers.
That poor janitorial staff...
That poor janitorial staff...
Every Axanar fan should be made to read this.Your needlessly insulting condescending post aside, this is precise ...
Are there any Axanar fans left? I haven't finished reading the script, but what I've read so far doesn't come any where near being the "Greatest Star Trek movie ever!" that convinced them to fork over so much money. It's not even close to being the best fan fiction I've read.
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There are fans left, yes, and the quality of the script doesn't matter to the true loyals. Look, if people can see Donald Trump and think "Presidential material," then you have to keep in mind that some people will always be blind to reality because of their fanatic devotion to an idea.
Maybe Trump should hire Peters as his campaign manager for the next election.
Holy shit:
And what am I 'Holy Shit"-ing about specifically:
Alec: "Now, before then we will have to raise the money for the episodes, and that will really determine how much we can do. The good news is we only need about 1/10th of what we raised for the feature film, and we are way more efficient now and know a lot more than when we did Prelude."
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So, Mr. Peters wants/need another $140,000.00 - $200,000.00 U.S. for the two remaining segments?! Of, and what abbout the part of the Axanar Case settlement where he agreed to the Star Trek Fan Film Guidelines - part of which reads:
http://www.startrek.com/fan-films
Fan Fim Guidline: "CBS and Paramount Pictures do not object to limited fundraising for the creation of a fan production, whether 1 or 2 segments and consistent with these guidelines, so long as the total amount does not exceed $50,000, including all platform fees, and when the $50,000 goal is reached, all fundraising must cease."
And it doesn't differentiate between 'public' and 'private' fundind as some of the Axanar faithful like to claim - by the above $50,000 in donations (Public or Private or whatever method) IS THE ABSOLUTE LIMIT <--- And that limit was reached and exceeded by Alec Peters for this 'Axanar' project long ago; yet here is Alec PUBLICLY stating again:
"we will have to raise the money for the episodes"
Of course I doubt CBS/Paramount will drag Alec back into court (claiming a breach of the Settlement Agreement) unless he goes whole hog back to selling UNLICENSED Star Trek themed merchandise and makes another huge sum of cash from that as they got what they really wanted:
- Alec Peters to admit he ILLEGALLY used the Star Trek IP to personally profit.
- Alec Peters to admit CBS/Paramount DO JOINTLY OWN all coyrights to the Star Trek IP.
But it just amazes me after being sued (and had CBS gone all they way - Alec Peters would have been financially ruined WAY beyond anything - not just 'Axanar') and getting a Settlement that DOESN'T ruin his life - he goes back to his old grifting/con man habits like nothing at all really happened.
And what am I 'Holy Shit"-ing about specifically:
Alec: "Now, before then we will have to raise the money for the episodes, and that will really determine how much we can do. The good news is we only need about 1/10th of what we raised for the feature film, and we are way more efficient now and know a lot more than when we did Prelude."
^^^
So, Mr. Peters wants/need another $140,000.00 - $200,000.00 U.S. for the two remaining segments?! Of, and what abbout the part of the Axanar Case settlement where he agreed to the Star Trek Fan Film Guidelines - part of which reads:
http://www.startrek.com/fan-films
Fan Fim Guidline: "CBS and Paramount Pictures do not object to limited fundraising for the creation of a fan production, whether 1 or 2 segments and consistent with these guidelines, so long as the total amount does not exceed $50,000, including all platform fees, and when the $50,000 goal is reached, all fundraising must cease."
And it doesn't differentiate between 'public' and 'private' fundind as some of the Axanar faithful like to claim - by the above $50,000 in donations (Public or Private or whatever method) IS THE ABSOLUTE LIMIT <--- And that limit was reached and exceeded by Alec Peters for this 'Axanar' project long ago; yet here is Alec PUBLICLY stating again:
"we will have to raise the money for the episodes"
Of course I doubt CBS/Paramount will drag Alec back into court (claiming a breach of the Settlement Agreement) unless he goes whole hog back to selling UNLICENSED Star Trek themed merchandise and makes another huge sum of cash from that as they got what they really wanted:
- Alec Peters to admit he ILLEGALLY used the Star Trek IP to personally profit.
- Alec Peters to admit CBS/Paramount DO JOINTLY OWN all coyrights to the Star Trek IP.
But it just amazes me after being sued (and had CBS gone all they way - Alec Peters would have been financially ruined WAY beyond anything - not just 'Axanar') and getting a Settlement that DOESN'T ruin his life - he goes back to his old grifting/con man habits like nothing at all really happened.
This is in response to your statement "We made up ALL the laws", which was in response to my statement that copyright is an artificial concept created by man. My statement about protection of possessions being genetic was to point out that it's natural to defend physical property and that the law merely reflects that, whereas laws governing copyright were an intellectual reaction to the invention of the printing press.
It has everything to do with reality, in that the word "stealing" was deliberately misapplied to distort people's sense of reality with regards to copyright.
You stated that no one would bother infringing on my copyright, therefore I wouldn't need one. How is that not discounting the utility of such a copyright?
That doesn't logically follow. What remains after a loss is not proof that nothing has been lost. Axamonitor has a whole list of projects that have either been cancelled, ended early or rebranded.
MST3K was cancelled in August 8, 1999. Kickstarter wasn't founded until April 28, 2009. Therefore, Joel and the fans didn't have the option of using Kickstarter to keep the show alive when it was originally cancelled. It's nearly a ten year gap. And it's laughable to think that somehow Joel could have brought the show back using a Kickstarter if fans didn't choose to support it financially. You're grasping at straws, and I'm not sure why, because it has little to do with the effectiveness of fan campaigns in the aggregate.
You have that backwards. It is, in fact, you who is oversimplifying something complicated by its nature.
Now you're conflating copyright infringement with espionage, criminal support for a terrorist organization, treason and the genocide of thousand of Empire soldiers. Overcompensating much?
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