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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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I checked. While your registration doesn't have to happen before the infringement takes place, you need to register before you can sue.

No, because I was talking about the copying of a nigh complete work instead of an idea. I may have missed some of the original context.

You still can't take it to court without registration, and you can't register if you never wrote it down....

You don't need a copyright registration as a precondition to bringing an IP infringement suit if your work does not have a US origin (although it does make life easier for you):
https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/sto...ism/your-copyrights-online/3-copyright-myths/
https://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ01.pdf page 3, page 7
 
Copyright law is on the IP owners' side here, as it should be. That's the sole reason for copyrights in the first place. You can argue until the cows turn into unicorns, but it doesn't change the fact that CBS and Paramount own Star Trek and can do with it as they please. That includes allowing fan films or not, or playing favorites, or filing suit against any production they don't like. Case closed.

The only reason to keep replying to trollish posters is, in my opinion, to get this thread to 1701 pages. :techman:
 
Copyright law is on the IP owners' side here, as it should be. That's the sole reason for copyrights in the first place. You can argue until the cows turn into unicorns, but it doesn't change the fact that CBS and Paramount own Star Trek and can do with it as they please. That includes allowing fan films or not, or playing favorites, or filing suit against any production they don't like. Case closed.

The only reason to keep replying to trollish posters is, in my opinion, to get this thread to 1701 pages. :techman:

But I would also add: to correct misinformation or misperceptions of IP.
 
Figure out a concise, strong case for limited derivative fair use, and find a sponsor in a state or federal legislature to work it into their bills. Try to raise the visibility of fan film fair use with well known advocates of changing IP law.

Fewer, more focused arguments, addressed to people who know how to carry them forward, might really help with your goals.

And I probably would not feature Axanar in the examples.
 
Figure out a concise, strong case for limited derivative fair use, and find a sponsor in a state or federal legislature to work it into their bills. Try to raise the visibility of fan film fair use with well known advocates of changing IP law.

Fewer, more focused arguments, addressed to people who know how to carry them forward, might really help with your goals.
Limiting copyright creates a chilling effect on the creation of new works. That's why the law exists.
 
Sigh. Again, you REALLY, HONESTLY believe that CBS and Paramount are watching fan films so they can steal characters from fans? Do you think the people they pay A LOT of money to to create content are going to risk their jobs, their reputations by stealing Lt. Gargleblaster from KorNadda from a fan film?

LOL, and I was beaten to the draw on pointing out Gargleblaster, but hey, that's what happens when you don't post fast enough. :)

No, I think someone else is going to steal characters from my film, and I won't be able to stop them without subjecting myself to a potential lawsuit from CBS.

It's cheaper to buy you out or change major details like Nic Locarno/Tom Paris.

Matthew, no one is going to steal your characters from your film. No one.

If that's your thinking, you really overestimate the actual viewership of fan films and their absolutely neglible impact on fandom, Star Trek, and CBS/Paramount.
 
LOL, and I was beaten to the draw on pointing out Gargleblaster, but hey, that's what happens when you don't post fast enough. :)



It's cheaper to buy you out or change major details like Nic Locarno/Tom Paris.

Matthew, no one is going to steal your characters from your film. No one.

If that's your thinking, you really overestimate the actual viewership of fan films and their absolutely neglible impact on fandom, Star Trek, and CBS/Paramount.
CBS is after Reigert, Randy. Commander Brian Reigert, the most interesting man in Starfleet!
 
LOL, and I was beaten to the draw on pointing out Gargleblaster, but hey, that's what happens when you don't post fast enough. :)



It's cheaper to buy you out or change major details like Nic Locarno/Tom Paris.

Matthew, no one is going to steal your characters from your film. No one.

If that's your thinking, you really overestimate the actual viewership of fan films and their absolutely neglible impact on fandom, Star Trek, and CBS/Paramount.
Straight from the producer's mouth.
 
That was 50 years ago...and the tale has grown more hyperbolic every decade since. Times have changed.
In general? No, not really. Look at how many shows have come back from the dead these days. What's really changed is how people feel about Star Trek and those in charge of making it.
Then, maybe you should stop spreading the idea that taking someone else's property is ok because it's only intellectual. Then maybe someone won't be sued.
I never stated that copyright infringement was okay. In fact, I've already stated several times that people should instead seek licenses or put their creative energies into their own projects. I've even warned numerous times that the guidelines provide no true legal safe harbor.

I can argue that two things (copyright infringement and stealing/theft) are different in nature or degree without saying that one of them is right, and I do so because I feel your use of language creates mischaracterizations that are harmful to the conversation in general and create an adversarial tone.
Then don't make a fucking fan film if you are worried that someone is going to steal your character.
Are you really worried about that? Is anyone REALLY worried about that? How often do you think this is happening? Is there a mass stealing of characters from fan films that I haven't hard about?
It's no less likely than someone copying a character from anything else I post on the Internet. In fact, you yourself stated that the Star Trek brand name can be used to attract attention to a project, so the fact it's a fan film would make it MORE likely my characters would be infringed upon, not less.
Um. Yeah. I knew that. I was trying to point out to you the difference between a fan letter campaign 50 some years ago and one from some 10 years ago. You really think there's going to be some sort of furious fan letter campaign that will make them remember the importance of fan films? Fans couldn't save Enterprise.
So basically your argument is that fans are too apathetic to be re-engaged?
You don't need a copyright registration as a precondition to bringing an IP infringement suit if your work does not have a US origin (although it does make life easier for you):
So I just need to move to New Zealand and everything will be okay. ;)
But I would also add: to correct misinformation or misperceptions of IP.
I feel the same.
Limiting copyright creates a chilling effect on the creation of new works. That's why the law exists.
That's also why fair use exists, and it covers far more people. Just look at how many people on YouTube review just one movie.
That's not the mind I'm trying to change, but the ones who might be lurking.
Same here. Wait...
/me walks over to a mirror and sees Professor Zoom!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
It's cheaper to buy you out or change major details like Nic Locarno/Tom Paris.
This is a better argument for rebranding than subjecting one's self to Guideline #9.
Matthew, no one is going to steal your characters from your film. No one.
That's more of a comment on how inconsequential most aspiring writers are than a profound statement on fan films. Why would decoupling your work from Star Trek attract more people to your work?
If that's your thinking, you really overestimate the actual viewership of fan films and their absolutely neglible impact on fandom, Star Trek, and CBS/Paramount.
Keep in mind that we were talking about being able to copyright your own creations that you might tangentially use in a fan film. STC:Pilgrim of Eternity alone has nearly 1.5 million views on YouTube, and it only takes one person to infringe.
 
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