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MeTV's SuperSci-Fi Saturday Night

The Incredible Hulk--
"The First" (Part Two)


The Frye-creature rages on, running through the forest, uprooting trees, attacking animals--feeding on years of pent-up anger now set free. After a time, the creature transforms back to a teary-eyed Dell Frye. David--still shocked by what he's witnessed--slowly tracks the Frye-creature, finally discovering the man...laughing.

Frye: "You see? The arthritis. It's gone. It worked!"
David: "Yes. You can't stay like this. You know that."
Frye: "Oh, I'm fine."
David: "I have enough of this substance to make serum for both of us...to cure both of us."
Frye: "No...thirty years I've waited for this. To feel strong! You cure yourself--I'm not going back!"
David: "Mr. Frye, you could be very dangerous to yourself and to other people."
Frye: (ignoring David) "Thirty years of feeling sick, and weak and hurting. I'm not going back, doctor! You're worried about what I did before, huh? Townsend and the kid. Well, I just want to live my life. I'm not looking for trouble."
David: "You might not have to."
Frye: "I'll take the risk...but you better not do anything against me. 'cause you know when I get mad what I can do! "

At the town general store/ watering hole, two locals--burly Brad & his obese pal Earl grumble about Sheriff Decker arresting Case & Willie (for attempted arson), feeling the Clive home should have been burned down. A confident Frye walks in, and its clear he is no friend of Brad; the loudmouth immediately harasses Frye, referring to him as a "cripple" and makes lewd comments about "helping" Frye out with pleasing Elizabeth if they ever marry and go on a honeymoon. Frye--now beaming with his secret confidence--tosses his beer in Brad's face. As Brad is a moment away from punching the elderly man, he is stopped by Sheriff Decker, who warns the hostile man that if necessary, he will run him in for the same mob violence perpetrated by Case and Willie. Brad threatens Decker may not be sheriff much longer...

At Elizabeth Collins' home--

David: "...if I could have thought of anything else, I wouldn't have come here. Dr. Clive told you that he had done something terrible."
Elizabeth: "Yes."
David: "Well, it was because of his experiments. Dell Frye was able to metamorphosize into a creature of incredible strength. And that same creature killed Frank Townsend."
Elizabeth: "I don't know anything about this. Jeffrey never gave me any details. If its true, Jeffrey cured this thing, I know he did. He told me."
David: "Yes, yes, he did cure it. But because of my...help, Dell was able to repeat the process. I tried to stop him, but it was too late."
Elizabeth: "I don't understand. What does this mean?"
David: "He's very dangerous. The creature that Dell becomes is guided by his personality. And Dell Frye is a murderer--that young boy that was killed a year ago."
Elizabeth: "Shouldn't you go to the police?"
David: "I have no proof. And it could be dangerous. I mean...if Dell were to metamorphose again, somebody could be killed. Now he must be cured. Now I have the chemicals to make the serum, that Dr. Clive developed for Dell, but I have to have time, and a safe place to work. Miss Collins, I know that I'm responsible, like Dr.Clive was responsible. I didn't want to get you involved in this. But he must be cred very soon. I have no one else to turn to."

In town, Jack McGee arrives and questions Sheriff Decker about the creature--

McGee: "It's been in your local papers--the two guys who saw the Hulk are in your jail. Don't tell me there isn't a story here."
Decker: (mocking, then serious) "The Hulk, huh? Well, is that like Bigfoot? Or Sasquatch? Miser McGee, whatever's going on here, it certainly doesn't need more publicity, especially from the Register. Now, I've got enough trouble on my hands as it is."
McGee: "Look, sheriff...this is not just a local story. This creature has been spotted all across this country."
Decker: "But I don't care about the rest of the country. Look, there were some kind of a creature here--thirty years ago. It tied in with Dr. Clive. It killed a man, then disappeared. Some people think that it's come back. But I don't. But I do have to make sure that no one else gets hurt. Leave this alone, Mr. McGee!"
McGee (incredulous): "Thirty years??"

Nearby, Dell meets Elizabeth in the park. He gives her a gift, hopeful that his altered self will open certain doors....

Elizabeth: "Your arthritis...its so much better."
Dell: "Yeah, I had treatment...good treatment. But Elizabeth, that's not all. I'm different, and things are gonna be different around here for me, too. You know how its been for me, Elizabeth. I've taken a lot from people in this town. Well, no more! People...they're gonna start respecting me! Also, uh...I want--I want to tell you that, uh...I never could before. I care for you. You know, a lot. "
Elizabeth: "Dell, I'm very flattered, but I never stopped caring for Jeffrey, even after all these years."
Dell: "I'm much stronger now In every way. I can take care of you. Please give me a chance to.....eh...you'll see."
Elizabeth: "It has nothing to do with you, Dell. You must understand that."
Dell: "You're just trying to be nice. You don't see. You're just like everybody else in this damn town!! "
Elizabeth: "Dell, I'm not like everyone else. You know that. I'm sorry if I hurt you."
Dell: "I'm right...you'll see. You'll change your mind."

Later, Elizabeth questions David about Dell, his condition, and the serum. David admits this has happened because he could not see past his own problems, going so far as to admit he has a "medical" problem. Suddenly, the doorbell rings, and as expected, its McGee. David hides in another room, but forgets his tea cup in the living room. McGee jumps to questioning her about her relationship to Dr. Clive and the rumors about a Hulk-like creature. Elizabeth, as expected, does not appreciate the harassment--

Elizabeth: "Mr. McGee?"
McGee: "Mm-hmm."
Elizabeth: "I loved Jeffrey Clive. I will not help you exploit him. And most certainly not for The National Register."
McGee: "Miss Collins, I'm not interested in exploiting Dr. Clive."
Elizabeth: "I was having my tea. I would like to finish."

McGee notices the second tea cup--

McGee: "Tea for two. Company coming?"
Elizabeth: (irritated) "My habits are none of your business!"

McGee presses his interest in the creature/man, but Elizabeth is fed up, threatening to call the police if he does not leave her alone.

Back at the general store / watering hole, Brad is sullen, still obsessing on town problems and his sense of being unable to do anything about it. Frye walks in, and noticing the tension, stars in on the group. Taking Brad's beer, Frye pours it on Brad's shoe, and mocks his "tough guy" routine. Brad has had enough, punching the old man in the face, sending him into the counter. Frye rises, now facing Brad, Earl and two additional roughnecks, but continues to insult the increasingly angry lout, until Brad's next punch is so strong, it sends Frye crashing into the storeroom--exactly what he desired, as he begins to laugh...and transform into the creature.

In the store area, Earl worries that Brad might have hit Frye to hard; Brad counters that with Frye's prodding, anyone would have reacted the same. Suddenly, the group is frozen in their tracks when they hear an inhuman growl coming from the storeroom, followed by the doors ripped off by Frye's creature. The creature almost has a look of joy on his face as he tears the store apart, huring a counter at everyone else, but reserving his special attention for Brad. Picking the frightened man up, the Frye creature sends him crashing out of the store window, and into the street before running off.

Hours later, Sheriff Decker and his men continue their investigation...with Dell Frye back on the scene, bitterly complaining about being questioned. Decker calls out the not-so-coincidental timing of Frye falling into the same storeroom where the creature just so happened to be--and the same creature who murdered Brad--the man fighting Frye. Although Decker has no solid evidence on Frye, he believes Dell is involved in some way, and strongly suggests that his problems will go away if Dell goes away, as in leave town, or things could get ugly Initially, Dell is incensed that Decker would threaten him, but he's had enough, barking out--

Frye: "You can have this damn town! I got nothing here!!"

As if Decker's problems were not taxing enough, he catches McGee snooping around the storeroom--

Decker: "I told you to say away from this!"
McGee: "I know a lot about this creature. Maybe I can help."
Decker: "You mean the circulation of your paper! Go on--GET OUT OF HERE!!"
McGee: "Sheriff, I think you must know a little something about the laws in your county. The press has some rights."
Decker: "Mister McGee, if you're not gone in five seconds, I'm going to arrest you for interfering with this investigation! One...two...three...four!"

McGee sheepishly leaves the store, exchanging an odd glance with Earl, who chases after McGee, offering to help catch Brad's killer--and the man who shared that storeroom with it--Dell Frye.

At Elizabeth's home, David prepares two syringes--and it finally dawns on Elizabeth that David needs a cure, too. Wondering why David does not cure himself first, Banner reminds her that the serum incapacitates the patient for 48 hours, and he cannot risk the murderous Frye remaining on the loose even for another day. David believes the only way to catch him is through a trap, and sedation--long enough to get him to the lab. Elizabeth does not like the idea of trapping him, but understands there's no other choice.

As Frye packs, he's confronted by McGee--

McGee: "I'm looking for Dell Frye."
Frye: "That's me. What do you want?"
McGee: (puzzled) "I was expecting a younger man. Dark brown hair..."
Frye: "What is this??"
McGee: "It's over, Mr. Frye. Give it up."
Frye: "Who are you?? What do you want??"
McGee: "I'm Jack McGee--you know that! You know why I'm here! You're John Doe. You're the man who becomes the creature."
Frye: "I do know who you are, Mr. McGee. I've read your articles."
McGee: "I'm sure you have."
Frye: "You've made a mistake, but I can help you. I'm not this...Hulk thing, but I know the man who is. I worked with him. He's left town, but I can help you track him."
McGee: (not buying Frye's story) "It's all right, John. I know all about it. I know about your struggle, about the creature's sudden appearances...for once at least, I arrive before you get a chance to leave town. Now give it up."

Elizabeth calls, selling the idea that she's changed her mind about Frye. The excited Frye prepares to leave, but McGee draws his deadly curare dart gun--

McGee: "Now, your creature has committed murder. That's twice that I know of. I just can't let that pass."

Frye plays the threat angle--

Frye: "Mister McGee...this um...this thing...it's very strong, isn't it? Unpredictable. Dangerous. Aren't you afraid?"
McGee: "I don't want to use this. Now, believe me. It's over."
Frye: (playing McGee) "All right. This has--it has gone on for too long. I'll tell you everything. Just let me make a call and finish packing."

Frye spins around, hitting McGee with his suitcase, then breaking a vase over his head, knocking him out. Frye tosses McGee's gun out of the window, collects his things, then leaves. Soon, Frye is at Elizabeth's, believing she's ready to leave with him, and bragging about his power, and how no one will ever harm or trouble them again. From the kitchen, David waits for the right moment, then quickly injects Frye with the sedative. Frye attacks David--fueled by his altered system--and nearly bludgeons him, until Elizabeth knocks him out with a fire poker.

Elsewhere, the recovered McGee tries to convince Sheriff Decker that a man becomes the creature; Decker reminds him that even if Frye is charged as Brad's murderer (in the form of the creature), there's no way to prove his condition is real. Decker says he can arrest Frye if McGee presses assault charges against him. Eventually, Decker & McGee check Elizabeth's house (based on the call to Frye), discover the site of the fight...and some lab equipment. Considering Elizabeth's relationship with Clive, the men assume there must be other area being used with this equipment...

In the lab, Frye is strapped to the table, and injected with the serum, while the x-ray machine is activated; Frye comes to, angrily screaming "NO!" at David & Elizabeth. The moment Elizabeth flips the switch, Frye's rage explodes--and once again, he transforms into his creature. The Frye-creature easily snaps his restraints, and pushes David into a wall. David recovers, and asks Elizabeth to move toward him, an act setting off the creature, who throws Banner into another wall. The Frye-creature's uncontrolled hands are dangerously close to the container holding the rest of the serum--David's serum. Watching in horror, David yells at the beast--

David: "No......no...NNNOOOOOOOO!!"

--as he throws the syringe at a wall...destroying it. David slowly begins his transformation, his fingers touching the broken glass in total anguish. David cries uncontrollably at the loss of what might have been the end of his curse.

David: "No!!! ...noooo!! NNOOOOOO!"

Banner completes his transformation, but the Hulk's mind is as battered with sadness as David, with tears streaming down the Hulk's face. The Frye-creature--still operating from Dell's true nature (as Clive's notes warned), acts on hatred, pummeling and breaking lab machinery over the true Hulk...

...On the road, Decker & McGee race to the Clive lab...

Inside, Dell's creature continues to pound on the Hulk and destroy Clive's equipment, until the Hulk's sadness erupts into pure rage; Dell's creature instantly discovers his punches are ineffective against the Hulk, and finds himself repeatedly slammed into the exploding machinery, as Elizabeth moves toward the secret passage. The two creatures grab a corner of the X-ray table, ripping it apart; outside, Decker and McGee pull up, hear the destruction inside and run to the source. As Frye-creature lifts his end of the table to throw at the Hulk, Decker enters the lab, firing three shots into his chest. The creature falls. All attention--including the Hulk's--is captured by the sight of Frye's creature collapsing. Decker turns his gun to the Hulk, but Elizabeth bravely acts as his human shield--

Elizabeth: "Don't shoot him!"
Decker: "Move aside, Elizabeth!"
Elizabeth: "No!! He hasn't hurt anybody!"

Elizabeth guides the Hulk to secret passage. McGee is caught between seeing the Hulk escape yet again, and the transformation of the Frye creature back to the clearly dead Dell Frye. Elizabeth--even after learning Frye was a murderer (and tried to kill David in front of her) is still sympathetic enough to close the lids of Frye's eyes.

Later, Decker records Elizabeth's account of the Frye story as McGee observes--

Elizabeth: "The murder at the house last year--it was Dell. He--uh--he admitted it to...the other man. And it was Dell's creature that murdered Brad Wheeler. The other man was with me at the time."
Decker: "Is there anything else?"
Elizabeth: "Just that...I'd like Dell to be buried in a nice grave. I'll pay for it."
McGee: "Miss Collins, why are you so interested in protecting this other man?"
Elizabeth: "He's a very kind, very gentle man. This...creature that he becomes saved my life."
McGee: "Miss Collins, this man is very dangerous, and he needs help."
Elizabeth: "He wants to do it himself. You should leave him alone, Mr. McGee."
McGee: "I can't Miss Collins. No matter what you think, no matter how gentle this man may have seemed to you, the Hulk is a very real danger. And I will not leave him alone."

David makes his way down another road.

NOTES:

Cure related episode. One of the most significant of the entire series. One would imagine Banner would write or call Elizabeth, and ask her to send Clive's journals and the crystalline base for the serum, which Frye's creature did not destroy. Of course, that would mean the end of the series so....

Sherriff Decker represents the first time a member of law enforcement admitted to the existence of some kind of creature.

It was fascinating to see the plight of an elderly person believing he's been abused and disrespected turned on its ear with his lust for what he knew to be a deadly level of strength and the level of revenge fueling it. On that note, during TIH's run on CBS, many fans (familiar with the comics) had called for the Emil Blonsky / Abomination character to appear on the series--above all reasons, to see an evil man with the Hulk's power. While the Abomination never appeared, for the contrast of moral vs. immoral, it was certainly achieved here; while Frye's motives were different than Blonsky's, but the threat of a super-powered creature having no compunction about his hunger for revenge/killing was a good substitute.

McGee just walks in Elizabeth's home without being invited. Apparently, the important social graces missed being added to his training throughout life.

Once again, McGee's true behavior & motives are all laid out--from pushing his way into Elizabeth's home, his unqualified choice to use curare against any human being, to his refusal to leave Banner alone. All self interested (instead of being altruistic), so it should be quite clear why Decker & Elizabeth treated him in a similar manner.

While Joe Harnell's "First" score was effective (even in a softer cue during scenes with Frye longing), the episode left scenes without the score when it would carry more weight, such as the shooting / death of Frye's creature. Well done.

Bill Bixby's performance was--as always--engaging and powerful all at the right moments. For four years, audiences followed his David Banner's ruined life seeking cures, having the chance for love ripped away from him and being hunted, yet his breakdown at the loss of what he honestly believed was the cure was the emotional overload, or peak for the character, almost suggesting that he's had enough.

Superhero adaptations have often been criticized for casting actors with--frankly--meager skills, or simply being untalented across the board. Unfortunately, that judgement has been more true than not, from the days of the serials to today's TV and movie adaptations, but of the few--the very few--actors who ever soared in their roles, or lifted great material to be greater, a mature consideration would place Bixby in a top three of performers ever cast as leads in comic adaptations. Aside from Bixby's obviously superior talent, a list of this kind is easy to create, since (in all honesty) so many actors in comic/superhero productions are so bland, amateurish, or just plain bad.

Appropriately enough, the make-up for the Frye-creature (being "The First") took its influence from the original, more primitive Hulk make-up from the pilot.

GUEST CAST:

Edward Walsh (Brad Wheeler) made his first TIH appearance in an uncredited role in season one's "The Beast Within" (as a security guard). He is best known for the hulking servant Brudah from the two Count Yorga movies Count Yorga - Vampire (Erica Productions/AIP, 1970) and The Return of Count Yorga (AIP, 1971).
  • Hannah, Queen of the Vampires (Coast Industries, 1973) - AKA Crypt of the Living Dead
  • The Bionic Woman (ABC, 1977) - "Iron Ships and Dead Men"
  • The Amazing Spider-Man (CBS, 1979) - "Photo Finish"
  • Bring 'Em Back Alive (CBS, 1982) - "The Best of Enemies"
 
Hulk: “The First, Part 2”: The opening here gives us our first good look at Dick Durock in action as Frye’s Creature, and I was never too impressed with him in the role. He’s way too gaunt -- I guess that works for an older man and makes a good contrast with Ferrigno, but he doesn’t seem that intimidating, especially the way he flails his arms around. Actually, Harry Townes is more disturbing as the cocky, empowered Frye than Durock is as the Creature.

The episode has some pacing issues -- it’s a bit odd that it suddenly swaps out the bullying teens from part 1 for bullying older townsfolk in part 2, and it’s clumsy that both of Frye’s attempts to provoke Brad and his friends are set in the same store, which feels repetitive. Also, the staging of the Creature’s attack on the bullies is undermined a bit by network censorship. This was supposed to be a more violent attack that killed Brad, but it didn’t really look that different from a conventional Hulk-out. Frye’s Creature just tossed Brad through some glass, when he could’ve ripped the guy limb from limb or snapped his neck. I know they couldn’t show anything that graphic, but they could’ve cut away to the other men gasping in horror or something.

And it’s odd that in the climax, we see David’s eyes turn white well before the transformation music kicks in. I wonder what the thinking was there. Maybe they decided in editing to prolong the depiction of David’s grief at the loss of his cure, which was well-played by Bixby. But it is kind of strange.

It’s also implausible that McGee would think for a minute that Frye was John Doe. He’s seen “John” up close twice, in “Mystery Man” and “Equinox,” and he knows he isn’t an older gray-haired man. And a cursory investigation would’ve shown that Frye had been in Vissaria for all the years that McGee was chasing the Hulk across the country. There are some nice McGee bits here; I particularly liked his insistence to Elizabeth (in David’s hearing) that he’s the last person who’d want to harm the Hulk or the man who becomes him. It shows how McGee’s attitude has evolved over the years. But so much else is implausible.

We have to wait until the climax to get the Hulk-vs.-Creature battle. I said a while back that I’ve been disappointed that the Hulk almost never faces any actual challenges, anything difficult for the creature to cope with. Another superstrong gamma mutant is just what the doctor ordered, but honestly, the challenge Frye’s Creature poses is limited. He does shove the Hulk around a bit, which has got to be a novel experience for our boy, but in their wrestling, it seems that the Hulk outmatches his opponent fairly easily. Durock towers over Ferrigno, but he’s scrawny in comparison, and it doesn’t feel like a real contest. And the fight is choreographed mostly around the creatures smashing the equipment that’s David’s last hope of a cure, rather than about pitting them directly against each other. It’s kind of a missed opportunity. With the Hulk constrained by Banner’s innate compassion and the Creature driven by Frye’s murderous rage, we could’ve seen the Hulk placed at a real disadvantage in a fight for the first time ever.

Although it ends with McGee stating his determination to continue the pursuit, this is actually the last episode of the series in production order, and the last story of this magnitude in the series. But there are still a dozen episodes left in broadcast order, five in this season and seven held back for an abbreviated fifth season. Unfortunately, only a couple of them are really worthwhile.
 
The opening here gives us our first good look at Dick Durock in action as Frye’s Creature, and I was never too impressed with him in the role. He’s way too gaunt -- I guess that works for an older man and makes a good contrast with Ferrigno, but he doesn’t seem that intimidating, especially the way he flails his arms around. Actually, Harry Townes is more disturbing as the cocky, empowered Frye than Durock is as the Creature.
Even though David's Hulk is 'disarmed' by traumatic emotion, the ability of Frye's Creature to overpower him doesn't convince due to Durrock's scrawny nature. Far more convincing would have been if Richard Kiel had been recruited - symmetrically at the opposite end of the Production Run - to take the role and suffer contact lens irritation for one week only.

Bixby has the quality to transmit agonised feelings superbly and indeed it's difficult to watch for the first time the moment his best chance of a cure is destroyed without experiencing eyes drier than Banner's.

How much more appropriate would the conclusion of the Incredible Hulk been if the transmission of this two-parter matched the position in which it was produced - The Last.
 
We have to wait until the climax to get the Hulk-vs.-Creature battle. I said a while back that I’ve been disappointed that the Hulk almost never faces any actual challenges, anything difficult for the creature to cope with. Another superstrong gamma mutant is just what the doctor ordered, but honestly, the challenge Frye’s Creature poses is limited.

Hulk is the strongest one there is!
 
The Frye-creature rages on, running through the forest, uprooting trees, attacking animals
I know that it's probably unintentional, but Frye's creature attacking the deer is a particularly telling moment, because in the comics of the time, the Hulk was well-known for his gentleness toward "bambis".

After a time, the creature transforms back to a teary-eyed Dell Frye.
Frye's clothes are in better shape than they should be...he even magically gets his shoes back.

Frye: "I'll take the risk...but you better not do anything against me. 'cause you know when I get mad what I can do! "
Such a missed opportunity for a pointed comeback from David.

At Elizabeth Collins' home--
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Miser McGee
His boss certainly isn't a miser, sending him to Hawaii for one scene and whatnot.

Back at the general store / watering hole, Brad is sullen, still obsessing on town problems and his sense of being unable to do anything about it. Frye walks in, and noticing the tension, stars in on the group. Taking Brad's beer, Frye pours it on Brad's shoe, and mocks his "tough guy" routine. Brad has had enough, punching the old man in the face, sending him into the counter. Frye rises, now facing Brad, Earl and two additional roughnecks, but continues to insult the increasingly angry lout, until Brad's next punch is so strong, it sends Frye crashing into the storeroom--exactly what he desired, as he begins to laugh...and transform into the creature.
-25:14. Frye's definitely a case of "there but for the grace of God"...the situation is even underscored by the parallels to a typical David trouble scene, right down to Frye getting tossed into the back room. It's surprising that the show didn't go to this place a bit sooner, though; a not-so-nice person with his own creature could have made for a good recurring nemesis.

Townes's stunt double is really, really obvious; and...
with Dell Frye back on the scene, bitterly complaining about being questioned.
...how did Frye get back to the scene with new clothes on?

Decker calls out the not-so-coincidental timing of Frye falling into the same storeroom where the creature just so happened to be
He's a lot quicker on the uptake than people on this show are normally allowed to be....

Wondering why David does not cure himself first, Banner reminds her that the serum incapacitates the patient for 48 hours, and he cannot risk the murderous Frye remaining on the loose even for another day.
That says so much about David, that he's willing to put stopping Frye above his own need for a cure.

but McGee draws his deadly curare dart gun--

McGee: "Now, your creature has committed murder. That's twice that I know of. I just can't let that pass."
One should keep that in mind when judging McGee for his reckless use of the curare...he believes that the creature is a killer.

Frye attacks David--fueled by his altered system--and nearly bludgeons him, until Elizabeth knocks him out with a fire poker.
"He's alright...he's just unconscious. Happens to me all the time."

The moment Elizabeth flips the switch, Frye's rage explodes--and once again, he transforms into his creature.
-09:42.

David: "No......no...NNNOOOOOOOO!!"

--as he throws the syringe at a wall...destroying it. David slowly begins his transformation, his fingers touching the broken glass in total anguish. David cries uncontrollably at the loss of what might have been the end of his curse.
-07:39 going by the lingered-upon eyes rather than the music cue.

Banner completes his transformation, but the Hulk's mind is as battered with sadness as David, with tears streaming down the Hulk's face. The Frye-creature--still operating from Dell's true nature (as Clive's notes warned), acts on hatred, pummeling and breaking lab machinery over the true Hulk...
The Hulk seems strangely sedate and out of it...I know he was crying, but he should be angry at Frye's creature, rather than oblivious to his presence.

As Frye-creature lifts his end of the table to throw at the Hulk, Decker enters the lab, firing three shots into his chest.
It would have been more dramatic if Frye's creature had some sort of advantage on the Hulk when the sheriff shot him, instead of the fight effectively being interrupted.

McGee is caught between seeing the Hulk escape yet again, and the transformation of the Frye creature back to the clearly dead Dell Frye.
The first and only transformation back upon death in the series proper.

David makes his way down another road.
An episode liked this deserved better than a generic LM exit.

One would imagine Banner would write or call Elizabeth, and ask her to send Clive's journals and the crystalline base for the serum, which Frye's creature did not destroy.
Good point about the journals, but given David's reaction in the moment, we have to assume that the base was rendered useless. Also, I'd have to check your post from last week, but weren't pages with the formula ripped out?

it’s a bit odd that it suddenly swaps out the bullying teens from part 1 for bullying older townsfolk in part 2
I liked that touch. David gets into trouble with young local bullies; Frye makes trouble with older local bullies.

This was supposed to be a more violent attack that killed Brad, but it didn’t really look that different from a conventional Hulk-out.
I agree with that. As a kid, I was surprised that the creature tossing somebody through a window actually killed him, given all the times that the Hulk harmlessly tossed around bad guys as if they were made of nerf.

It’s also implausible that McGee would think for a minute that Frye was John Doe.
Yeah, that was Batman-level absurd.

He does shove the Hulk around a bit, which has got to be a novel experience for our boy, but in their wrestling, it seems that the Hulk outmatches his opponent fairly easily. Durock towers over Ferrigno, but he’s scrawny in comparison, and it doesn’t feel like a real contest.
Glad it's not just me! I thought that Frye's creature put up too good of a fight considering. If the creatures' strength was proportional to the actors', I'd have to think that Ferrigno's Hulk could snap Durock's creature like a twig.

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Next week on Heroes & Icons (H&I):
  • "Wildfire" (originally aired Jan. 17, 1979)
  • "A Solitary Place" (originally aired Jan. 24, 1979)
  • "Like a Brother" (originally aired Jan. 31, 1979)
  • "Haunted" (originally aired Feb. 7, 1979)
  • "The Disciple" (originally aired Mar. 16, 1979)
Looks like they're avoiding splitting a two-parter across weeks again...Friday should have been the first part of "Mystery Man".

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I know that it's probably unintentional, but Frye's creature attacking the deer is a particularly telling moment, because in the comics of the time, the Hulk was well-known for his gentleness toward "bambis".

The show's Hulk was also often kind to animals -- how many times was he calmed into a de-metamorphosis by a bunny or some baby birds or the like?


The first and only transformation back upon death in the series proper.

And the first of two overall.


As a kid, I was surprised that the creature tossing somebody through a window actually killed him, given all the times that the Hulk harmlessly tossed around bad guys as if they were made of nerf.

Of course, realistically, getting thrown through a window can easily be life-threatening due to severe lacerations and blood loss.


Glad it's not just me! I thought that Frye's creature put up too good of a fight considering. If the creatures' strength was proportional to the actors', I'd have to think that Ferrigno's Hulk could snap Durock's creature like a twig.

Well, muscle strength isn't necessarily proportional to muscle bulk; sometimes strong people can be quite lean and wiry. Granted, Durock didn't look like he was strong in even a wiry way, but we're talking gamma mutates here, so maybe the Clive process created a greater proportional increase in strength than the Banner process did.
 
Well, muscle strength isn't necessarily proportional to muscle bulk; sometimes strong people can be quite lean and wiry. Granted, Durock didn't look like he was strong in even a wiry way, but we're talking gamma mutates here, so maybe the Clive process created a greater proportional increase in strength than the Banner process did.

More of a stretch to accept he had any kind of advantage whatsoever over Ferrigno than that barely-ripped denim shirt.
 
Well, muscle strength isn't necessarily proportional to muscle bulk; sometimes strong people can be quite lean and wiry. Granted, Durock didn't look like he was strong in even a wiry way, but we're talking gamma mutates here, so maybe the Clive process created a greater proportional increase in strength than the Banner process did.
See, that's exactly the sort of thing I'd expected you to say if I'd have brought up the point myself...but I thought I'd be safe this time because I was agreeing with you! :lol:
 
Well, let's see, there's also the fact that Frye's Creature was longer-limbed and thus had more leverage... and the fact that he was more ruthless and vicious.

Really, though, the two Hulks didn't grapple directly all that much, because of network restrictions on violence, no doubt. As I said in my review, they were attacking the lab equipment more than each other, tearing it apart between them. Presumably the idea in the script was that the lab was destroyed as an incidental consequence of this clash of titans, but it didn't really end up that way on screen.
 
I know that it's probably unintentional, but Frye's creature attacking the deer is a particularly telling moment, because in the comics of the time, the Hulk was well-known for his gentleness toward "bambis".

Perhaps it was intentional, since TV Hulk has also had his gentle moments with wildlife, so Frye being sadistic would register with longtime TV Hulk viewers.


Such a missed opportunity for a pointed comeback from David.

If you're referring to the "you wouldn't like me when I'm angry" line, it would be out of character for him to posture in that way. Since that night arguing with McGee--a period when he was rattled with just trying to find a way out / afraid of being exposed, he's backed away from any reference to the Hulk as an option.

It's surprising that the show didn't go to this place a bit sooner, though; a not-so-nice person with his own creature could have made for a good recurring nemesis.

I'm sure many fans wanted to see a Hulk-level enemy from time to time, but I'm almost certain realism-leaning Kenneth Johnson wanted to make this a unique chapter in the TV-Hulk world, something as rare as Banner's creature. Its sort of similar to the Hammond Spider-Man, where it was very real-world centered, aside from Night of the Clones, which was as close to the comics' clone plotline / another super-powered character as it would ever get.

...how did Frye get back to the scene with new clothes on?

I think we were meant to assume the Frye creature (after running away from the store) returned to his normal self, changed clothes at his apartment--and considering his hateful personality--returned to the store to see how he exercised his power.


That says so much about David, that he's willing to put stopping Frye above his own need for a cure.

Yes, he's truly looking out for the safety of society, even at his own tortured expense.


One should keep that in mind when judging McGee for his reckless use of the curare...he believes that the creature is a killer.

The problem with your statement is that McGee is all over the place with reprehensible behavior. Originally, he (stupidly) armed himself with curare to use as a tranquilizer ("Stop the Presses"), and even when told it was deadly, he added on another terrible personality trait by not caring ("Equinox"), ad at that point, he was desperate for his (admitted) need for vindication, not bringing a "killer" to justice.


"He's alright...he's just unconscious. Happens to me all the time."

Oh, yeah. TV heads are the hardest of all.

The Hulk seems strangely sedate and out of it...I know he was crying, but he should be angry at Frye's creature, rather than oblivious to his presence.

That's just it--his anguish as David carried over to the Hulk, so he was still lost in that emotion, not caring about his surroundings, until he sort of snapped out of it to focus on the cause of his problems.


It would have been more dramatic if Frye's creature had some sort of advantage on the Hulk when the sheriff shot him, instead of the fight effectively being interrupted.

It was more about the overall danger Frye-creature posed, since Elizabeth was still in the lab, and flying machinery would kill her.


The first and only transformation back upon death in the series proper.

Yes, and frankly, I do not consider the reunion movies part of this series, so this remains a one-of-a-kind event.


An episode liked this deserved better than a generic LM exit.

Would it have changed anything? David's character and problems were just discussed in the last scene (Elizabeth & McGee), so all of what makes him special carries over into that stock LM shot.


Good point about the journals, but given David's reaction in the moment, we have to assume that the base was rendered useless. Also, I'd have to check your post from last week, but weren't pages with the formula ripped out?

I think journals from 1950 & '51 were missing, but Frye produced them, so Banner was able to recreate the serum.

I agree with that. As a kid, I was surprised that the creature tossing somebody through a window actually killed him, given all the times that the Hulk harmlessly tossed around bad guys as if they were made of nerf.

Brad was an older man, and in fact, you can be killed from the impact required to shatter the kind of glass used as store windows (broken neck, for one kind of trauma). That, and Brad very likely hit the ground with the force of an automobile crash, considering the Frye-creature's astonishing strength.


Yeah, that was Batman-level absurd.

What was he supposed to think? When showing up Vissaria, he's not thinking there's a second Hulk on the loose--only that the creature has been seen, so he was going to believe Frye is the only man he's aware of (up to that time). This also explains the look of shock on his face as he and Decker entered the lab. So, unlike Batman, where odd or silly things just happen (usually in the 2nd half of season two 7 all of season 3), there's a rational explanation for McGee thinking Frye was John Doe.
 
Perhaps it was intentional, since TV Hulk has also had his gentle moments with wildlife, so Frye being sadistic would register with longtime TV Hulk viewers.
I meant that any specific reference to the comic Hulk's special rapport with bambis was probably unintentional.

If you're referring to the "you wouldn't like me when I'm angry"
I was thinking something more like, "So can I."

I think journals from 1950 & '51 were missing, but Frye produced them, so Banner was able to recreate the serum.

I refer you to last week's expert:
David faces yet another setback when he discovers that the serum formula pages are missing, but as luck would have it, a vial with the remaining, crystalline formula survived.
:p

What was he supposed to think? When showing up Vissaria, he's not thinking there's a second Hulk on the loose--only that the creature has been seen, so he was going to believe Frye is the only man he's aware of (up to that time). This also explains the look of shock on his face as he and Decker entered the lab. So, unlike Batman, where odd or silly things just happen (usually in the 2nd half of season two 7 all of season 3), there's a rational explanation for McGee thinking Frye was John Doe.
This specifically reminded me of the recently watched episode in which Gordon and O'Hara think that Pat Pending and Rudy the Valet are Batman and Robin.
 
I meant that any specific reference to the comic Hulk's special rapport with bambis was probably unintentional.

Yes, that's what I meant too -- that it was more of a contrast with the show's established portrayal of the Hulk's treatment of animals, or just part of the general trope of establishing a character's malevolence through random cruelty to animals. It pretty much goes without saying that the last thing Kenneth Johnson would've wanted to do was to reference the comics his show was based on.


This specifically reminded me of the recently watched episode in which Gordon and O'Hara think that Pat Pending and Rudy the Valet are Batman and Robin.

I wouldn't go that far, but it's hardly "rational" for McGee to think this older guy with straight gray hair is John Doe when he knows from firsthand experience that John Doe is in his prime and has wavy brown hair. I think we've also seen before that McGee recognizes John's voice over the phone, so he should know that Frye isn't John by listening as well as looking. At least he should've acknowledged being aware of the discrepancy. Something like "I thought you were a younger man... but if you can change into the Hulk, maybe you can change your face and voice too."
 
Controversial, how so?
James Taylor is quite beloved. People always looks askance when I mention that I don't like him. I do, however, like Livingston Taylor and saw him perform live once.

Ah, so it wouldn't have been too snarky if I'd done this one, which I thought of after the fact?

Because it sounds like all their other songs? :p
No, I like some good snark. :rommie: But you've actually hit the nail on the head-- it sounds more like somebody imitating the Steely Dan sound than it sounds like the genuine article.
 
James Taylor is quite beloved. People always looks askance when I mention that I don't like him. I do, however, like Livingston Taylor and saw him perform live once.
I was a bit more curious about why it would be controversial to like Rush. I thought they were a generally well-regarded classic rock radio staple.
 
Ah, I see. Well, at the time, at least with the crowd I hung out with, they were considered uncool. Sort of like Journey.
 
Land of the Giants: “The Secret City of Limbo”: Giant limbo? The Little People should be great at that! They’ll have no problem getting under the bar!

Oh, wait, it isn’t that kind of limbo. But it’s another weird episode, and it’s a motherlode of familiar guest stars with great voices. Limbo is the name of a secret, advanced underground city of giants who were driven below the surface in an ancient war with the surface-dwellers. The script suggests they’re supposed to be a different-looking race -- they refer to the Little People as looking just like the surface dwellers, rather than like themselves -- but the production ignores this and gives them an ordinary appearance. (Maybe just as well -- if they’d used the same makeup department as The Time Tunnel’s more sci-fi episodes, the Limbonians -- Limborgers? -- would’ve been covered in silver paint.) Malachi Throne plays their incumbent leader Taru, whose leadership apparently consists of puttering around alone in his office/lab most of the time, and who happens to have an Earthling-sized electrochemical matter-transference teleport pad up to the surface even though he’s never met an Earthling before. He’s wary of the LP at first, but warms to them when they save his life from a poisoning attempt by his rival in an ongoing election, the warmongering General Aza (Joseph Ruskin).

Meanwhile, Time Tunnel’s Whit Bissell plays an archaeologist (a profession we’ve seen him undertake before in this thread, in The Incredible Hulk’s “Kindred Spirits”) who happens to be digging just over the hidden city, and whose plan to blast through their protective stratum of super-dense rock threatens to expose them and launch a cataclysmic war between Limbo and the surface world. Throne does some nice acting as Taru faces the irony that he’s winning the election on a peace platform but will probably have to wage war as his first act. The LP employ some trickery to convince the diggers there’s a dangerous chemical in the ground so they won’t blast there. But Aza wants the blasting and the war, and gets into a spectacular fight with a guard we’ve never seen until that moment -- it’s pretty unusual for an extra to show up out of nowhere to be the guy we root for in a marquee action sequence. But he eventually loses, and Aza flees to the surface and gets into another fight with the archaeologists -- which is odd, because he’s supposed to want their blasting to succeed.

Anyway, Aza’s defeated and the diggers are snookered, all’s well, and Taru frees all the LP and destroys the mini-teleporter. And Steve is quite happy about this... which makes no sense. His fellow Earthlings have just made friends with the leader of an entire giant civilization possessing technology far beyond the surface giants. He could be an invaluable ally to them. There was an unconvincing handwave about how the LP would be in danger from the other Limborians (Limboites? Limboese? Limbics?), but maybe Taru could change their minds. At the very least, he could provide ongoing tech assistance to the crew and give them resources to help them survive against the giants and/or get the ship working again. I know the writers had to reset the status quo at the end, but it would’ve been more convincing if they’d done so in a way that acknowledged all the LP were missing out on as a result.
 
Yeah, but it'd be easier to prove that if he occasionally got to go up against something stronger than a bunch of small-town bullies or the odd construction vehicle.

It was still a bit rare to see people who are "ripped."
The bodybuilding craze was really just beginning. Today--there would have been a lot more creature actors to choose from--one would think. The gaunt Hulk worked for what it was--perfect for an older man.

Really, though, the two Hulks didn't grapple directly all that much, because of network restrictions on violence, no doubt. .

I might have had a scene with the creature attacking a victim in a tool-shed. The creature grabs the back of a standing victim's head--starts pushing--and a camera zooms up to the pointed end of an anvil--the sound of a melon is heard--and a close up of another party screaming. No blood though.
 
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Really, though, the two Hulks didn't grapple directly all that much, because of network restrictions on violence, no doubt.

1970s/80s violence was not restricted enough to have any bearing on the action in this episode. From violent police and detective series of the previous decade (SWAT, Starsky & Hutch, Police Story, etc.) to early 80s series (Today's FBI, and a program airing after TIH's cancellation, such as Miami Vice), TV was quite liberal with hand-to-hand fighting, gun battles, etc.

If there was a lack of grappling / fighting between the two Hulks, it had more to do with Johnson not wanting the Banner-Hulk to break his general resistance to all-out violence (with rare exceptions), so he had Frye's creature do all of the work.


I was thinking something more like, "So can I."

Still, very un-Banner like to boast/threaten.


This specifically reminded me of the recently watched episode in which Gordon and O'Hara think that Pat Pending and Rudy the Valet are Batman and Robin.

The difference there is that Gordon and O'Hara see Batman & Robin almost every day--they're as familiar with them as their own wives, so thinking Pending and Rudy were the Dynamic Duo was just silly (and badly played on the writer's part). With McGee, he's only been in close contact with John Doe on two occasions, and with the town account that a Hulk creature had been on the loose thirty years in the past, McGee probably felt he did not know the entire story, and likely doubted his own experiences.
 
I might have had a scene with the creature attacking a victim in a tool-shed. The creature grabs the back of a standing victim's head--starts pushing--and a camera zooms up to the pointed end of an anvil--the sound of a melon is heard--and a close up of another party screaming. No blood though.

I think even implying that level of violence would've been more than the network censors at the time would've allowed. Keep in mind that, as a show based on a comic book, The Incredible Hulk was perceived as a children's show, even though it wasn't written as one. And censorship on violence in general in '70s TV was pretty strict. Even gruesome sounds would've been off-limits.
 
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