And yet I still prefer "Batman v. Superman" over "Wonder Woman". Hmmm.
WB's Justice League 2017 movie pre-discussion thread
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And yet I still prefer "Batman v. Superman" over "Wonder Woman". Hmmm.
And I prefer Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971) over Citizen Kane (1941). Won't claim that it's better, but I prefer it.
So...... definitely NOT in the camp about the death of Snyder's daughter as PART of a conspiracy ... simply a coincidence that might work out for the film (at least for some audience members).
I hear the idea that reshoots aren't a big deal...and I think SOMETIMES that is true...but also, just a few minutes of film, even WITHOUT big special affects can great affect how it is perceived. The last few minutes of The Last Samurai, where Tom Cruise is shown to have survived, basically ruins the film. Had he been the Last Samurai for a couple of minutes (before dying), it would have been a cool movie. But by that short scene, it becomes a perceived trope of Cruise being the super-hero of the movie, and loses my interest in it.
I think Snyder has done the same thing, with those scenes of Jonathan & Martha later in life...it totally takes away scenes when Clark was younger, and they showed real love and wise guidance for Clark.
With Justice League, I hope (and exect) Whedon will add or delete scenes which will make us "like"the Justice League, and hopefully feel like a comic book movie.
I would hope, with the grief he & his wife have to deal with, won't "claim his right" to have the movie he "intended it" (which is what I hear the Guild rules are supposed to ensure), but just let it go, and even if Whedon changes some major things of the movie, will just let it go, and be gracious in the final product. His leaving wasn't really predicated on disputes with WB -- it was personal. So I don't think he'll show bitterness, even if things are different than he initially filmed.
I hear the idea that reshoots aren't a big deal...and I think SOMETIMES that is true...but also, just a few minutes of film, even WITHOUT big special affects can great affect how it is perceived. The last few minutes of The Last Samurai, where Tom Cruise is shown to have survived, basically ruins the film. Had he been the Last Samurai for a couple of minutes (before dying), it would have been a cool movie. But by that short scene, it becomes a perceived trope of Cruise being the super-hero of the movie, and loses my interest in it.
I think Snyder has done the same thing, with those scenes of Jonathan & Martha later in life...it totally takes away scenes when Clark was younger, and they showed real love and wise guidance for Clark.
With Justice League, I hope (and exect) Whedon will add or delete scenes which will make us "like"the Justice League, and hopefully feel like a comic book movie.
I would hope, with the grief he & his wife have to deal with, won't "claim his right" to have the movie he "intended it" (which is what I hear the Guild rules are supposed to ensure), but just let it go, and even if Whedon changes some major things of the movie, will just let it go, and be gracious in the final product. His leaving wasn't really predicated on disputes with WB -- it was personal. So I don't think he'll show bitterness, even if things are different than he initially filmed.
It would, of course, be HIGHLY unprofessional of Whedon to do anything to substantially change the film from Snyder's wishes (unless those wishes are not clearly articulated--something I doubt very much). It would also be rather asshole-ish of the studio to use this "opportunity" to obtain an outcome it was unwilling to demand upfront. Of course, all this rampant speculation rests on unproven assumptions: A) that Whedon wants to alter Snyder's plans, B) the studio doesn't like Snyder's plans and C) that any alterations would necessarily be "better" than Snyder's plans.
I'd like to think Whedon will do what he's been hired to do--no less, but certainly, no more.
I'd like to think Whedon will do what he's been hired to do--no less, but certainly, no more.
Was the change in composers Whedon's idea?
I see the composer situation as a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation for Joss. While he I'm sure he intends to follow through with Zack Snyder's vision, he has still been tasked with finishing this film and making decisions that he feels are best for the final product. That is the job he signed on for, and he has been given the final say. From this point on, he has to do what he feels is best for the movie. Is this the same decision that Zack would have made? Perhaps not. But the studio must have backed the decision, or else the decision would never have been made.
Any film can benefit from a Director's Cut, as no film is perfect. The Godfather might be as close to near-perfect as a film can get, but even that gained something from the director's version.
Then perhaps Wonder Woman, like The Godfather, will receive a director's cut, some 36 years later.
It's currently playing in theaters.
(there won't be an ultimate or extended edition when it comes out on home media)
I watched it earlier, what perturbed me was not including Wonder Woman. Even if it was just as Diana Prince, say Angelina Jolie or Catherine Zeta-Jones