Spoilers Wonder Woman - Grading & Discussion

[JD]

Saw this on Facebook and made me smile

I'm not knocking Wonder Woman at all, but I've also noticed some of the reviews are making out like it's the first female led action movie ever or something. I mean they're hardly cinematic classics, but it was only a few months ago the sixth Resident Evil movie came out for example. I suppose this is for familes and kids can see it though, but just saying that's not how some of them paint it.

There is also The Hunger Games for the younger crowd.

 

[Reverend]

Well I think we can at least all agree it's the first legitimately good female led superhero movie, no?
I mean unless anyone has an irrational soft spot for Elektra or Catwoman?

 

[Noname Given]

Well I think we can at least all agree it's the first legitimately good female led superhero movie, no?
I mean unless anyone has an irrational soft spot for Elektra or Catwoman?

"Tank Girl" was fun (back in 1995).

 

[{ Emilia }]

Well I think we can at least all agree it's the first legitimately good female led superhero movie, no?

I'm tempted to say it's possibly the best superhero film. Period.
I suppose Wonder Woman and Nolan's Batman movies stand out to me personally. The rest is mostly meh. I enjoyed some of Marvel's (like Doctor Strange) but they didn't have the same impact.

 

[Venardhi]

 

[{ Emilia }]

^ Passive-aggressive, condescending or just tedious?

Valuable feedback in any case!

 

[Ovation]

Indeed. The clarity is stunning.

 

[Reverend]

I'm tempted to say it's possibly the best superhero film. Period.
I suppose Wonder Woman and Nolan's Batman movies stand out to me personally. The rest is mostly meh. I enjoyed some of Marvel's (like Doctor Strange) but they didn't have the same impact.

I'd say it's certainly somewhere in the top 5 (and I generally abhor making lists of things!)
In terms of it's message and defining what a hero actually is beyond "person who hits people" it's *miles* ahead of most of the competition. Even the Nolan movies never quite nailed it down that well and the Rami Spider-Man movies seemed to lean a little too much on that one line (you all know the one I'm talking about.) The first Reeves/Donner movie did a solid portrayal, but while it had the right idea, it was a bit thin on character motivation.

For me I think the only other superhero type movie that is on par in terms of character is Logan, even though that's an entirely different animal.

I'd agree Marvel's movies don't have quite the profound impact WW did (though I'd argue the Captain America movies come damn close at times!) but then for the most part they're not really making the attempt. Still, I find them enjoyable for what they are. YMMV of course, such is the nature of personal preferences.

Aww, bless!

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I'm still waiting for a link that it's actually a NY Times quote. Anybody got one?

 

[Mudd]

Best superhero movie is probably Deadpool. Okay, sorta - you have to have sat through at least a few of the others in order to appreciate it, which undercuts it as a standalone.

 

[Reverend]

Best superhero movie is probably Deadpool. Okay, sorta - you have to have sat through at least a few of the others in order to appreciate it, which undercuts it as a standalone.

Technically, that's not a superhero movie. It's a super-antihero movie.

 

[Gaith]

Passive-aggressive, condescending or just tedious?

Valuable feedback in any case!

As far as I can tell, post #304 was the first time you expressed an opinion about this movie after having (presumably) seen it - and you didn't discuss or even identify any particular aspect of it you liked, you just said it "stood out" and "had an impact" on you, and that you're "tempted to say it's possibly the best superhero film. Period."

Obviously, not enjoying most superhero movies is no character flaw, but seeing as how in-depth discussions of the same is kind of SF/F's bread and butter, while not defending Venardhi's one-emoticon post, I'd submit that dropping in on a movie discussion thread and calling it "possibly the best" without any elaboration isn't hugely constructive, either.

 

[Venardhi]

It is a good movie let down by an inconsistent and seemingly patchwork script with a tacked-on, meaningless and generic superhero fight at the end; which I've already expressed two or three times in this thread. The hype is getting ridiculous and that emoticon perfectly summed up my reaction to your thoughts.

 

[JanewayRulz!]

In just 3 weeks it's already grossed 83% of BvsS DOJ domestic box office.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=similar&id=wonderwoman.htm

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4300&p=.htm

You GO, girl.

 

[kirk55555]

That's really cool that its made so much, and I hope it makes more.

I don't know much about how long it takes movies to make certain amounts of money, so I figured I'd see if anyone here has any good insight to something I've been wondering:

Can Wonder Woman overtake or match Man of Steel's box office before its theatrical run ends?

I ask because I know every movie makes less money as the weeks move one, and Wonder Woman needs (according to box office mojo) around 95 million more to tie Man of Steel worldwide (although its only about 15 million away from tying it domestically). I'm just curious if that amount of money is possible for a movie that's been out for almost three weeks.

Obviously I wish Wonder Woman would beat Batman v Superman, and it deserves to, but I don't think it will beat BvS or even Suicide Squad (it needs over 150 million to match Suicide Squad worldwide). Beating Man of Steel seems like its a possibility, though I'm asking this question because I don't know much about how much you can expect a movie to make once its been out a few weeks so for all I know beating Man of Steel could be either a near certainty or an impossibility at this point.

 

[JanewayRulz!]

If you click on the BvsSDOJ line in that first link, you will see that movie made an additional 542 million in foreign box office. SS likewise made 420 million in foreign BO and MoS made 377 million, whereas WW's foreign Box Office has already made 298 million in just 3 weeks.

It really depends on the week to week drop off in sales and although those 3 movies all opened stronger than WW, they also dropped quicker. We'll have to sit back and wait as more summer movies open and compete with our Amazonian Princess.

 

[Gov Kodos]

dropping in on a movie discussion thread and calling it "possibly the best"

That's what these things are. No one is obligated to elaborate on their feelings.

It is a good movie let down by an inconsistent and seemingly patchwork script with a tacked-on, meaningless and generic superhero fight at the end; which I've already expressed two or three times in this thread. The hype is getting ridiculous and that emoticon perfectly summed up my reaction to your thoughts.

That describes any of the superhero films.

 

[dahj]

It really depends on the week to week drop off

So far it's doing amazing, it only dropped 29% this weekend and made over $41 million in its third weekend in the US. For comparison sake, that's more than all Iron Men, both Guardians, Civil War and Age of Ultron made in their third weekends. In fact the only comic book movies that made more are Spider-Man, The Dark Knight and The Avengers.

 

[Venardhi]

Like the Marvel movies or not, their formula is more variable than many give credit for, and few of them have a climax that rings nearly as dramatically hollow and predictable.

 

[dahj]

climax that rings nearly as dramatically hollow and predictable

What's wrong with being predictable? She sets of to confront Ares, so naturally that's how it's gonna end, it'd be kinda weird if the big finale was that she has a dance-off with Doctor Poison.

As for "dramatically hollow", I disagree, the entire movie is about Diana getting to know mankind's good and bad sides, and in the final confrontation she has to choose where she stands, and what she stands for in this world. The movie builds up to it both narratively and thematically.