(US) Do you support a $15 minimum wage?

[thestrangequark]

I don't think that's an exclusively American problem, I suspect it's the same in many countries.

Completely agreed.

 

[publiusr]

In the meantime, millennials will remain the most educated, over-qualified, and underpaid generation in American history while @Tenacity tries to find answers for those questions. Hint: they're not in your copy of The Fountainhead.

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life:
The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged.
One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world.
The other, of course, involves orcs."

http://halrager.org/WordPress/the-other-of-course-involves-orcs/

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

Credible cites and legitimate links to support your assertions, please?

Well, it's definitely costing jobs:
https://qz.com/923442/wendys-is-res...minimum-wage-by-replacing-humans-with-robots/

 

[scotthm]

So, in other words, you're just making shit up?

We were asked to give a reason for our vote, and I gave mine, whether you agree with it or not.

Jobs that to be frank, shouldn't exist.

Tell that to the people who are losing those jobs.

Speaking of which - retirees on fixed incomes : yes, let's subsidise them by underpaying the young, poor and economically vulnerable - that's fair. Isn't it ?

Let's subsidise no one, by getting the government out of the economy.

Anyway, paying higher wages would give many people more disposable income and/or leisure time (if they didn't have to work two jobs) and should work as a stimulus to the economy.

Laying people off will give them lots of leisure time.

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[BillJ]

Well, it's definitely costing jobs:
https://qz.com/923442/wendys-is-res...minimum-wage-by-replacing-humans-with-robots/

Something that was going to happen at some point anyways. There's no salary to pay, no insurances to pay, no taxes to pay.

Today, as the price of labor rises, the cost of machines drop (three of Wendy’s kiosks, according to the LA Times, will cost just $15,000), and the quality of the technology improves, automation technology is becoming a legitimate option to fast food restaurants.

That is less than the cost of one full time employee at the current minimim wage, when factoring taxes and other costs associated with having human employees.

 

[Nyotarules]

As the population of the world keeps rising and the number of jobs declines something has got to give, either sterilise folks or pay people a basic income to get by or leave the planet

 

[Refuge]

If a minimum wage is set across the board then I think gratuities should be optional.

Yes to a minimum wage system. Yes to not paying anybody not paying their taxes.

 

[Tenacity]

Hint: they're not in your copy of The Fountainhead.

Never read the book, but I enjoyed the Gary Cooper movie.

 

[Stoo]

Tenacity is T'Girl, right?

 

[Jedi_Master]

Tenacity is T'Girl, right?

Thank you for putting my jumbled thoughts into words. There was something about the posting style that felt familiar.

 

[GabyBee]

You know, it strikes me that for all this right wing nonsense about "picking yourself up by your bootstraps", it is often red states that take the most Federal tax dollars while contributing the least. Or, by another definition: Red states are the primary beneficiaries of a redistribution of wealth away from blue states.

I live in Massachusetts. If Republicans are going to continuously bite the hand that feeds, I'd like my tax dollars back, please. Maybe Tennessee should start paying for its own fucking stop signs.

(Source: https://taxfoundation.org/states-rely-most-federal-aid/)

 

[suarezguy]

^You should get your Massachusetts tax dollars back, you'd probably spend them better and you'd get the other states (only a handful seem to be above the average), less able to rely on other people's money, to spend its own better too.

 

[MacLeod]

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[Kai "the spy"]

Oh, Josiah Bartlet. The best American president of the last few decades.

 

[Trashmon]

No because if they raise it than everything else will also go up in price.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

No because if they raise it than everything else will also go up in price.

This effect is minimal and doesn't even come close to canceling out the wage hike.

 

[Refuge]

Define minimal.

 

[BillJ]

Define minimal.

Or... you could take 30 seconds to read the article...

But in an analysis of area prices over time, done through a combination of “web scraping” and in-person visits to grocery stores, restaurants and other retail locations, such price increases were not in evidence.

“Our preliminary analysis of grocery, retail and rent prices has found little or no evidence of price increases in Seattle relative to the surrounding area,” the team concluded.

“From its inception, this study has sought to do more than track employment figures,” Vigdor said. “Our team hopes to develop a full understanding of how businesses and nonprofits change their practices to accommodate higher wages, and of whether a higher minimum wage meaningfully transforms lives. Today’s report showcases that broader approach.”

https://www.washington.edu/news/201...prices-minimal-one-year-after-implementation/

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Define minimal.

Seriously. What @BillJ said. All you had to do was click a link and read it.

"Minimum wage hikes raise prices so much it cancels out the increase" is false. It is a common myth perpetuated by those who would prefer to hold wages down.

 

[Nyotarules]

In the UK wage inflation is far behind cost of living inflation. I wonder what other excuses...er reasons folks will come up with to keep working people down at the bottom of the ladder. Even middle class folks earning £60,000 cannot afford to buy a house in the South East of the UK.
And with the devalued sterling things will get worse... Thanks Brexit!