Bryan Fuller: Diversity is key
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Not sure what those pictures prove, other than Amazons being depicted in Greek art.
They're not supposed to prove anything, and that's why I used the words debatable and disputable, as in open for debate and dispute. You described how the Greeks portrayed the Amazons and I've shown exactly how the Greeks portrayed the Amazons. Τhe conclusion is for anyone to make.
And it's not only their Greek hoplite armor. In Greek mythology, the Amazons were the daughters of Ares (the Greek god of war) and Harmonia (the Greek goddess of harmony or a Greek wood nymph). Their names? Hippolyta, Penthesilea, Antiope, Alcippe, Anchimache, Andromache, Deianeira, Derimacheia, etc. Can't get more Greek than that. On the other hand, no "proper and decent" Greek woman could possibly behave anything like the Amazons, so these warrior women must be foreign, right?
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I'm talking about their roles in the myths. Their literary depiction not the visual one. There they are shown as adversaries ( Sided with Troy in the Trojan Wars, fought against various Greek Heroes, invaded Attica) and were considered barbarians (non-Greek)
Take it up with Homer and Herodotus.Also food for thought. In Greek mythology, the Amazons were the daughters of Ares (the Greek god of war) and Harmonia (the Greek goddess of harmony or a Greek wood nymph). Their names (Hippolyta, Penthesilea, Antiope, Alcippe, Anchimache, Andromache, Deianeira, Derimacheia, etc.) can't get more Greek than that. On the other hand, no "proper and decent" Greek woman could possibly behave anything like the Amazons, so these warrior women must be foreign, right?
Again that's not definitive. The Greeks fought each other way more than they did foreign enemies. And "barbarian" and "foreign-friend" was the favorite insult amongst ancient Greeks from different city-states.
Homer and Herodotus. Both Greeks born in Asia Minor by the way.
Don't get me started on Homer. When was the last good thing he wrote? It's literally thousands of years ago! He's being living from the royalties and poor remakes/reboots ever since.
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No, it's not definitive. But I think the evidence is more weighted towards Amazons being non-Greeks. Some source say they and the Centaurs are meant to represent the Persians.
I respectfully disagree. For all the reasons I mentioned I think the evidence is weighted slightly towards Amazons being more Greek than non-Greek. The same can be argued about the Trojans as depicted by Homer in the Iliad.
Again I disagree. It's difficult to say what ancient myths represent but the Centaur myths existed way before the Persian threat to Greece. In my opinion the Centaurs represented the primitive ("beastly") side of men.
I don't think Greek names and clothing are enough. Ancient Greeks like many artists used contemporary clothing when creating art. And like many writers gave their characters names in their own language. Especially when depicting historical, fictional and mythological events For example, Jesus isn't a pale Nordic guy.
It's a new theory to me. But you'd have to take that up with the historians, archaeologists and linguists who have come up with the theory. My field of study was art, so I'm out of my depth.
Of course. But artists' portrayals in art are also indicative (but not exhaustive) of how their audience perceived them. If Norse artists portray their Asgardian gods with Viking regalia doesn't that also show that that's how the rest Norsemen thought of them?
He wasn't? Oh boy! You've really opened a can of worms now!For example, Jesus isn't a pale Nordic guy.
That's not news. TIme magazine ran an article on it:
A) I think it's quite obvious I was being sarcastic.
B) If you actually had read the article you'd remember that this portrait simply shows an adult male that had lived in the same time period and geographical region as Jesus.
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Bah! The Norse god of thunder and lightning has no use for your stinking sunblock.
I think that actually Balder. The Norse God of Nice or something.
You're correct. The real Norse Thor was red haired and red bearded. Nothing like Marvel's portrayal as a blonde beach boy!
It was an extrapolation, and no, your sarcasm was not obvious.
When I was a kid, maybe 8 years old, I discovered the Norse Myths and Marvel Comics around the same time. The contradictions bothered me and set me up for Trek's canon wars.You're correct. The real Norse Thor was red haired and red bearded. Nothing like Marvel's portrayal as a blonde beach boy!
Amazing extrapolation! Man from the Middle East looks Middle-Eastern!
(Clarification: I'm continuing to be somewhat sarcastic.)
What did an Ancient Greek person look like?
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