Kelvin Timeline all but confirmed

[fireproof78]

Agree 100&

Best if Kirk was Lt. On tge Potemkin heavily damaged in battle vs. Narada at Vulcan. Escaped via shuttle or something w a few others. Enterprise picks up survivors etc. Then Kirk made 1st officier tgen Captain O Captain.

OR

Kirk made 1st officer under Pike in STID Pike dies in Khan attack Kirk moved up

Either way ST09 Kirk from academy to Captain VERY hard to get with

I like both of these suggestions.

However, for me, it isn't a deal breaker for Kirk's promotion, especially since so many officers and cadets died in Nero's attack at Vulcan. But, the idea of Kirk on another ship would have been very interesting. I would have preferred that way too for Scotty to get on board.

 

[Nerys Myk]

As much as I love the rest of the movie, I do have to agree that Kirk's jump straight to Captain at the end was ridiculous. It's not enough to make me love the any less, but it is a bit odd.
I don't really think they had to have them still at the Academy when the Narada attacked Vulcan. They could have either done what @ISS Enterprise said, or even just have Kirk & Co as junior officers newly assigned to the Big E who end up in the regular positions after the rest of the crew is captured or killed. I think the whole storyline could have still played out the same way, more or less, and it would have made the end a lot less ridiculous.

they really wanted to do their Kobayashi Maru homage

 

[ISS Enterprise]

Not a deal breaker for me either. Have ST09 on my phone right now lol

Could've abd should've done the kobayshi maru test just same, resolved it n moved fwd on time w Kirk on Potempkin or whatever, but again I can n do overlook this n enjoy flick

Also saw Wonder Woman over weekend n Pines haur looked more like Kirks in that movie vs Beyond lol

 

[fireproof78]

Not a deal breaker for me either. Have ST09 on my phone right now lol

Could've abd should've done the kobayshi maru test just same, resolved it n moved fwd on time w Kirk on Potempkin or whatever, but again I can n do overlook this n enjoy flick

Also saw Wonder Woman over weekend n Pines haur looked more like Kirks in that movie vs Beyond lol

I have a feeling that there is a simple edit to make his outfit look like its from "The Cage" based upon the publicity stills I've seen for WW.

 

[JD]

they really wanted to do their Kobayashi Maru homage

My version would still have some of the stuff at the Academy, there would just be one more time jump before we got to the crew on the Enterprise.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

My version would still have some of the stuff at the Academy, there would just be one more time jump before we got to the crew on the Enterprise.

This would have improved it a good deal as well.

 

[WARLOCK1965]

I know we were just told that Discovery is a true prequel to TOS, but I think by now we've all seen the trailer and realized that that can't really be true. In fact, when Bryan Fuller initially said it was set in the Prime Timeline he also said that it could be in either one. But a direct comparison shows which timeline it most closely matches:

And while not a direct comparison, look at the design on this helmet compared to the Klingon architecture in STID:

I don't see anything in the trailer that resembles TOS, it's all clearly based on the aesthetic of the new movies (just look at all the lens flares.) So until we get a real indication to the contrary, I'm going to say that Discovery is set in the Kelvin Timeline.

Agreed it makes sense to me

 

[Nerys Myk]

I know we were just told that Discovery is a true prequel to TOS, but I think by now we've all seen the trailer and realized that that can't really be true. In fact, when Bryan Fuller initially said it was set in the Prime Timeline he also said that it could be in either one. But a direct comparison shows which timeline it most closely matches:

And while not a direct comparison, look at the design on this helmet compared to the Klingon architecture in STID:

I don't see anything in the trailer that resembles TOS, it's all clearly based on the aesthetic of the new movies (just look at all the lens flares.) So until we get a real indication to the contrary, I'm going to say that Discovery is set in the Kelvin Timeline.

All those pictures show is that both productions are from the 2010s. What timeline they're in will be determined by actual story content not the visuals.

 

[Lance]

Michael Dorn was going to be in Discovery playing a Klingon. Could you picture him in that costume?

If Dorn was appearing as some other new Klingon we've never seen before, yes why not? But that isn't what I asked. What I asked is if we're now meant to be retroactively assuming that Lt. Worf was actually 'supposed' to have looked like the new Klingons do through seven seasons of TNG, four seasons of DS9, and multiple movies. Same for all other 'bumpy' Klingons. Is that the inference that the Discovery people are asking from us? Because even the bumpy foreheads eventually got explained (unnecessarily, some might say, but explained nonetheless.)

If the Kelvin/Discovery Klingons are similarly 'explained', say as genetically enhanced warriors that have been breed to be closer to the proto-Klingon genome from TNG: "Genesis" while living alongside the other Klingons, then there isn't going to be an issue here. If they're not explained, however.... then in all honesty, I find that a bit of a stretch in my credulity. I'm not totally sure I can justify in my own mind the likes of Worf, Gowron etc having been meant to look like these new guys all along, because the new Klingon makeup is quite a drastic departure from the past, moreso than the bumpy foreheads. It was when they revealed it in Into Darkness, and it still is in Discovery.

Yup, same as when the Bumpies showed up in TMP. That's how they always looked. (Then DS9 threw a spanner in the works)

As I say, that never bothered me as much as it did other people. But the 'bumpies' weren't that big a departure from the past, simply an extrapolation of it. These new Klingons, both here and in the Kelvin movies before them, are so radically different to anything we've seen before as to almost require explanation of some kind.

We shouldn't use the word "canon" anyway. The word is being abused, raped, and mistreated in modern fandoms. I prefer "continuity." Much more appropriate imo.

I tend to agree, but the dictionary definition of 'canon' is the officially sanctioned/ordained books and teachings of any given church. By that definition, what several people are saying in this thread is absolutely accurate: no matter what our opinion is, the 'canon' is whatever Paramount says it is at any given time, and there is no such thing as 'head canon', 'personal canon' or any other such 'canon'.

I do take the point that many people within fandom tend to misuse 'canon' when they really do mean 'continuity'.

 

[Nerys Myk]

As I say, that never bothered me as much as it did other people. But the 'bumpies' weren't that big a departure from the past, simply an extrapolation of it. These new Klingons, both here and in the Kelvin movies before them, are so radically different to anything we've seen before as to almost require explanation of some kind

Sure they are. They acquired features never found on the original Klingons. Bone crests on their head, pointed teeth and some unusual hair patterns. Subsequent versions of Klingons pushed these even further with more elaborate bone crests.
These new Klingons still use the bone crests, which have become the defining characteristic of Klingons, like pointed ears on Vulcans and wrinkled noses on Bajorans. Now, Klingons without crests would actually be radical and retro at the same time.

 

[captainkirk]

All those pictures show is that both productions are from the 2010s. What timeline they're in will be determined by actual story content not the visuals.

I'll re-ask the question I'm asked numerous times and not gotten an answer to, where is there even the smallest trace of TOS aesthetic? Absolutely everything is brand new or based on the new movies, from the insignia pattern of the uniform to the design of the Klingons.

 

[cultcross]

As I say, that never bothered me as much as it did other people. But the 'bumpies' weren't that big a departure from the past, simply an extrapolation of it. These new Klingons, both here and in the Kelvin movies before them, are so radically different to anything we've seen before as to almost require explanation of some kind

The TMP onwards Klingons changed everything about their appearance and costume apart from facial hair. The Discovery Klingons are closer in design to the TNG Klingons than the TNG Klingons are to the TOS ones. Forehead ridges, nose ridge appliance, and stylised armour. They're definitely no more radical a departure from the original.

 

[Jesse1066]

If the facial hair is the one thing Klingons have consistently had, shouldn't that be the first thing to include in a revised Klingon design? They just don't look right without it.

 

[cultcross]

Well even that wasn't completely consistent. And whether someone has grown a little goatee beard or not should not define an alien species on TV in 2017. Klingons in the vast majority of Trek have been variations on aliens with forehead ridges and stylised armour, and they are again.

 

[Campe]

I'll re-ask the question I'm asked numerous times and not gotten an answer to, where is there even the smallest trace of TOS aesthetic?

To be fair, we haven't seen the title ship Discovery yet.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

Besides, I'm fairly sure that DSC couldn't have been set in the Kelvin timeline even if they'd wanted to. Kelvin is the sole property of Bad Robot and its ilk. They won't let the novelverse deal with it, and so it stands to reason that they wouldn't let DSC do it either.

Too bad: I think that a series set in the same universe as the new movies would work quite well, and be structured like the MCU/MTU (Marvel Television Universe)-a shared universe where events in the movies are mentioned on a TV show, and vice versa.

 

[Mudd]

The difference between Paramount's relationship with the "novelverse" and with CBS is that if CBS is unsatisfied with Paramount's decisions they can put an end to further Star Trek movies.

 

[Nyotarules]

When Pike left the ship, Spock took command (naturally, since he was First Officer). When Spock relinquished command, Kirk, as acting First Officer, took command. What still makes no sense is why Kirk was made acting First Officer in the first place and why he stayed in command when Spock returned to duty and even after returning to Earth. He honestly should have been sent to finish up at the Academy before taking a commission as an ensign.

The Great white Saviour deserved his prize, the great green one did not.

 

[Nyotarules]

I just have a hard time believing there weren't any other senior officers on board. What, there wasn't a single LCDR or CDR?

They all conveniently died.

 

[Lance]

Too bad: I think that a series set in the same universe as the new movies would work quite well, and be structured like the MCU/MTU (Marvel Television Universe)-a shared universe where events in the movies are mentioned on a TV show, and vice versa.

I have to agree with this sentiment, too. The moment they announced it was the prime timeline, I actually felt a little bit disappointed, as I think it would've been much more interesting to have expanded the Kelvin timeline a little bit more than to have had yet another prequel to the familiar Star Trek (although I acknowledge that the CBS/Paramount split would've made that difficult, if not impossible.)