Wonder Woman (2017)
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^I think your phone's spell check has a problem with initialisms. From context, I'm guessing "WE" is meant to be "WW" and "UK" is meant to be "JL."
It's not a solo movie, but she will be one of the leads in Dark Universe (the live action JLDark movie).
Why would the plot of Civil War have been different.
The actor changes were due to issues that came up later, so that really wasn't something they could have planned for before hand.
What was wrong with the Hydra story?
Yeah, you're right. I even recall "fixing" one of those and clearly my phone was not on the same page as I. To Be Corrected!
Chris Pines plays as an American spy who stole some plans from the Germans and was fleeing from the Germans when he crashes into the waters off Themyscira. Wonder Woman rescues him and he tells that the Germans are the bad guys. Wonder Woman not knowing anything about the outside world, believes everything he says. Chris Pines is basically the first non Amazonian she meets and she believes his story.
Imagine if Chris Pines had been a German spy fleeing from the Royal Navy. Wonder Woman would believed him if he had told her that the British and Americans are the bad guys. She would followed him back to Berlin or Istanbul and would have fought against the WW1 Allies. Storywise that would have made more sense since Ares was working on the British/American side as some diplomat and Wonder Woman did guessed correctly that Ares was involved in the Great War.
Imagine if Chris Pines had been a German spy fleeing from the Royal Navy. Wonder Woman would believed him if he had told her that the British and Americans are the bad guys. She would followed him back to Berlin or Istanbul and would have fought against the WW1 Allies. Storywise that would have made more sense since Ares was working on the British/American side as some diplomat and Wonder Woman did guessed correctly that Ares was involved in the Great War.
no idea.
I'm resisting the urge to make a Man of Steel joke...
Still, there have been a number of "What if someone else had raised Kal-El?" stories in the Elseworlds line, like Superman: Red Son, where he landed in Soviet Russia and still turned out largely heroic in spite of everything.
Good points. For some reason, certain people want to write this "sexism" plot into the reason why female directors do not return to a series, without simply looking at the facts (readily available).
That's quite the opposite of what happened, not that what happened wasn't suspect.
We watched the same movie?
She would've believed them as long as they didn't mention their poison gas, or the fact they had gassed innocent civilians, or the fact that they were working on a new super gas to kill even more people. Too bad the Amazons had a rope that would've forced all of that info out into the open.
This guy is an idiot, and the Post's staff are idiots for reporting on this nonsense.
Some continue to try to suggest WW is the same kind of "hopeful" character as the Donner Superman (more on that later) but WW's takeaway from both Ares and Trevor is that mankind is filled with evil--even from so-called "good" people. Wonder Woman's personality and growth are not similar to Reeve's Superman at all--he's not having his world view constantly challenged, or modified, but uses his Kent upbringing as a force against his challenges. As in my review, she is paralleled (in near endless ways) with the MCU Captain America, as he--after sacrificing himself in the ice believing he was working for the greater good--wakes up 70 years later, only to discover the so-called good guys (SHIELD) are almost as corrupt as the bad guys--and that's without the influence of Hydra within the organization. As a result of having seen the true nature of things around him-
Wonder Woman as a mirror of Captain America: The First Avenger in a great number of specific points:
CA: The origin story begins and concludes during one of the great wars of the 20th century.
WW: The origin story begins and concludes during one of the great wars of the 20th century.
CA: A young, inexperienced person seeks to enter a war as a way of stopping it, with others doubting his potential to be effective. Steve Rogers is presented as a young man with--almost--a physical revulsion of man's abuse of other men.
WW: A young, inexperienced person seeks to enter a war as a way of stopping it with others doubting her potential to be effective. Diana is presented as a young woman with--almost--a physical revulsion of man's abuse of other men.
CA: Enemy agent trying to retrieve a vial of the Super Soldier formula is attacked, ultimately committing suicide with a cyanide capsule
WW: Enemy agent trying to retrieve Dr. Poison's book is attacked, ultimately committing suicide with a cyanide capsule.
CA: The main villain--The Red Skull--repeatedly tells the hero that he's not living up to his true potential, which would include being a conqueror at his side.
WW: The main villain--Ares--repeatedly tells the heroine that she's not living up to her true potential, which would include being a conqueror at his side.
CA: Dr.Erskine--who saw Steve's true, inner good, and believed that only he had the right potential to become the Super Soldier (and all that the position means for the world)--is killed by a Hydra agent. His death (and faith in Steve) adds to Steve's already morally solid resolve to do whatever he can to work toward ending the global conflict.
WW: Antiope--who saw Diana's true potential (hers alone) is killed by a German soldier. Her death (and faith in Diana) adds to Diana's already morally solid resolve to do whatever she can to work toward ending the global conflict.
CA: The Red Skull relies on brilliant scientist Arnim Zola to apply the Tessaract's energies to various advanced weapon designs. Though Zola has abilities that would (in theory) make him arrogant, his personality is clearly kept in a submissive position by The Red Skull. Of the two, he is the only one to survive the war.
WW: Ludendorff relies on brilliant scientist Dr. Maru / Poison to develop advanced chemical weapons. Though Maru has abilities that would (in theory) make her arrogant, her personality is clearly kept in a submissive position by Ludendorff. Of the two, she is the only one to survive the war.
Here's where main and supporting character actions are split--in Wonder Woman's case, given to the supporting character, but the events are the same:
CA: Captain America assembles a select team of racially diverse specialists with equally diverse personalities.
WW: Steve Trevor assembles a select team of racially diverse specialists with equally diverse personalities.
CA: Captain America boards The Red Skull's advanced aircraft, fights enemies (ultimately taking control of the ship). The aircraft is armed with equally advanced, Tessaract energy-based weapons of mass destruction, which the villain intends to use as part of his mission of conquest.
WW: Steve Trevor boards Ludendorff's advanced aircraft, fights enemies (ultimately taking control of the ship). The aircraft is armed with the advanced form of mustard gas, which Ludendorff intends to use as part of his mission of conquest.
CA: Captain America purposely crashes the Skull's aircraft as the only means of stopping its bombing run.
WW:Trevor purposely destroys Ludendorff's aircraft as the only means of eliminating the gas bombs / bombing mission.
CA: Steve Rogers' first, real romance is with an agent--Peggy Carter--the woman he also fights alongside, but their romance is short-lived.
WW: Diana's first, real romance is with Allied spy Steve Trevor--the man she also fights alongside, but their romance is short-lived.
Although present day Cap wistfully looks back to his lost love Peggy in Captain America: The Winter Soldier (and visits the ailing, elderly Peggy), Wonder Woman's present day framing sequence of Diana and the WW1 photo places her in the same, emotional place.
Clearly, not much Donner/Superman anything in WW. Some are also trying to link it to the Donner film to separate the tone of WW from the rest of the DC universe films, as if its not shaped and influenced by the hated (to a few) Snyder, when WW perfectly fits into all that's been established in the other films. Moreover, WW's end explains her almost condescending attitude about enemies in Dawn of Justice; she's been around and cannot possibly be some wide-eyed, "the sun's always risin' " kind of character.
Wonder what the rope would have found out if she'd wrapped it around a couple of British politicians?
You do know that the French and British also used poison gas?
To me, the whole film was based on the fact that War was the bad guy, and there are no good guys.
It was only the German General (can't remember his name :s ) and Doctor Poison who were the portrayed as villains, the German soldiers were just soldiers who weren't judged anymore than Steve Trevor was judged for the genocide of the Native Americans caused by "his people".