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Spider-Man: Homecoming' anticipation thread

Random thought-- This is not a Peter Parker that will ever have to sell photos to the Daily Bugle to make his way through college. With the apparent fondness that Stark has for Peter, and the awareness of who he really is and just how smart he is, I have to image that Stark has already set up a scholarship through that Foundation that he established in CA:CW. In fact, the "September Foundation" was how Stark bluffed his way into Peter's home in the first place.
 
Random thought-- This is not a Peter Parker that will ever have to sell photos to the Daily Bugle to make his way through college. With the apparent fondness that Stark has for Peter, and the awareness of who he really is and just how smart he is, I have to image that Stark has already set up a scholarship through that Foundation that he established in CA:CW. In fact, the "September Foundation" was how Stark bluffed his way into Peter's home in the first place.

Unless he has a falling out with Stark and refuses to take his money.

Of course, even with a Stark funded grant, he could also simply choose to be a free-lance photographer because it's an interesting job that theoretically lines up well with his superhero activities.
 
Yeah, I think it's a safe bet that at a certain point, Peter is going to want to go his own way. Maybe even by the end of this movie.
 
If they really wanted they could do a take on his current job, but instead of being CEO of his own company, just have him working at Stark Idustries developing technology with Tony.
 
The trouble with that approach is that is permanently sets Peter in Tony's shadow and it bypasses a very important part of the Spider-Man mythos. The Bugle, J. Jonah Jameson and making a living on the side with "exclusive" shots (probably footage, in this case) of Spider-Man are as intrinsic to the character as The Daily Planet, Perry White and Jimmy Olsen are to Superman.
It just wouldn't be the same without it all.
 
Saw a trailer at the cinema last night where Peter had filmed himself (and the fight) in Civil War, though it came off like he was doing it so he can show it off (or even just "enjoy watching himself"). Would be cute for him to do more of the same in Homecoming, tripping over the fact he's quite good at it and at the end walk into the Bugle with a flashdrive saying "I hear you're looking for Spidey shots. What're your rates?"

Hugo - still not quite feeling this film yet...
 
The trouble with that approach is that is permanently sets Peter in Tony's shadow and it bypasses a very important part of the Spider-Man mythos. The Bugle, J. Jonah Jameson and making a living on the side with "exclusive" shots (probably footage, in this case) of Spider-Man are as intrinsic to the character as The Daily Planet, Perry White and Jimmy Olsen are to Superman.
It just wouldn't be the same without it all.
I can understand that, but we already got that, so I don't think there's anything wrong with going a different route this time.
 
I can understand that, but we already got that, so I don't think there's anything wrong with going a different route this time.

That's kind of like saying "it's OK to have Clark Kent be a 911 operator or an estate agent because we've already seen him do the journalist thing before". I mean sure, technically one *can* go that route, but why? Just for the sake of doing something different? That's a pretty hollow reason to dump a fairly major part of the character's story.
For it to be a worthwhile trade-off that would have to add more to his character than it takes away and I just don't see it. Being Stark's junior sidekick is a good place for his story to *start* as it affords him the opportunity to go his own way, but it's not a very interesting status quo.

Part of the core of Peter's character is balancing the struggles of his home life with that of being Spider-Man. Having access to all the resources money can buy, a full scholarship and Iron Man himself covering for you doesn't lend itself very well towards that kind of story telling. In that scenario, the most challenging thing he'd have to deal with is Tony's personality quirks. Good for comic relief, not so much for drama.
 
I can understand what you're saying, but Spider-Man has had other jobs over the years, so it's not like this is some random thing coming out of nowhere. Like I said before, this could easily be done as a bit of an adaptation of what he's currently doing in the comics as CEO of Parker Industries, although he'd just be working for Stark Industries instead of his own company.
I do agree that the Daily Bugle is a big part of his story, but I think we've seen in the comics that you can do Spider-Man stories without it.
 
That's kind of like saying "it's OK to have Clark Kent be a 911 operator or an estate agent because we've already seen him do the journalist thing before". I mean sure, technically one *can* go that route, but why? Just for the sake of doing something different? That's a pretty hollow reason to dump a fairly major part of the character's story.

At the start of 1971, Galaxy Communications bought the Daily Planet and Clark, Lois, and Jimmy became TV reporters for the WGBS television station. Clark was the on-air anchor (eventually joined by Lana Lang as his co-anchor), and Lois and Jimmy were star field reporters. This status quo existed in the comics (and in Elliot S! Maggin's wonderful Superman novels, Last Son of Krypton and Miracle Monday) until the Crisis on Infinite Earths reboot, nearly 16 years in all. That's fully 20% of the entire history of the character.
 
I can understand what you're saying, but Spider-Man has had other jobs over the years, so it's not like this is some random thing coming out of nowhere. Like I said before, this could easily be done as a bit of an adaptation of what he's currently doing in the comics as CEO of Parker Industries, although he'd just be working for Stark Industries instead of his own company.
I do agree that the Daily Bugle is a big part of his story, but I think we've seen in the comics that you can do Spider-Man stories without it.

Sure, but at *this* point in his life, it's what his character should be doing. Just like before becoming Batman proper, Bruce Wayne should be travelling the globe, getting himself trained and how Clark Kent should be spending his youth in a small farming town doing Smallville farmboy things. It's just how the character's story is constructed. Indeed, it's a vital component of their development.

Peter can absolutely become the CEO of a tech start-up, but that's all grown up, post-college, married to M.J. Peter, not awkward, struggling, not sure of himself, high School Peter. There needs to be a character arc to get from here to there. By the same measure, you can't introduce Dick Grayson and skip straight to Nightwing and the Titans....well you can, but you're not doing a good job of adapting the character, you're making a new, less interesting character and just stealing the name.

At the start of 1971, Galaxy Communications bought the Daily Planet and Clark, Lois, and Jimmy became TV reporters for the WGBS television station. Clark was the on-air anchor (eventually joined by Lana Lang as his co-anchor), and Lois and Jimmy were star field reporters. This status quo existed in the comics (and in Elliot S! Maggin's wonderful Superman novels, Last Son of Krypton and Miracle Monday) until the Crisis on Infinite Earths reboot, nearly 16 years in all. That's fully 20% of the entire history of the character.

Point 1: What you're describing isn't a significant departure of the traditional set-up, it's just a transparent attempt to modernise it. One that misses the whole point of how the set-up was supposed to work and how it reflected his character.
Point 2: Wonder Woman spent a good chunk of her run in the 60's or 70's as a mortal, powerless government agent in a pantsuit or some-such. Time spent on a bad idea doesn't make it any less of a bad idea, or than any further interpretations should follow it's example.
 
Point 1: What you're describing isn't a significant departure of the traditional set-up, it's just a transparent attempt to modernise it. One that misses the whole point of how the set-up was supposed to work and how it reflected his character.

But it lasted for 15 years. You're mistaking your personal assessment of the desirability of an idea for its objective viability. The truth is, changing a character's situation can be successful, whether you personally like it or not.
 
But it lasted for 15 years. You're mistaking your personal assessment of the desirability of an idea for its objective viability. The truth is, changing a character's situation can be successful, whether you personally like it or not.
Even if that were true, where in this discussion was "success" (perceived or otherwise) ever proposed as the measure of whether or not a major part of a character's narrative should be skipped or arbitrarily changed?

All I said was that permanently planting Peter as Tony's coffee boy would skip over an important part of his character arc.
What you seem to be suggesting that his job (and Clark's for that matter) is only a cosmetic concern and in fact not tied directly into the themes and make-up of the character. And in that you'd be objectively wrong.
 
They could always do both and have him working as an intern at Stark, and have him taking photos for the Daily Planet as his source of income.
 
Why couldn't the MCU do its first solo Spider-man film without an appearance from Iron Man? Does this guy have to show up in everyone's movie? You mean to say that Marvel couldn't allow Tom Holland to do his first solo film without a cameo from Robert Downey Jr.?
 
Why couldn't the MCU do its first solo Spider-man film without an appearance from Iron Man? Does this guy have to show up in everyone's movie? You mean to say that Marvel couldn't allow Tom Holland to do his first solo film without a cameo from Robert Downey Jr.?

If they had no one show up then the complaint would be that no one else showed up. This is how a Shared Universe works.
 
Why couldn't the MCU do its first solo Spider-man film without an appearance from Iron Man? Does this guy have to show up in everyone's movie? You mean to say that Marvel couldn't allow Tom Holland to do his first solo film without a cameo from Robert Downey Jr.?
They are trying to make a point of showing this is not a stand alone Spider-Man movie, but one connected to the MCU. And 5o give it a shot in the arm by inserting what is arguably their most popular character.
 
@LJones41 Given that Sony bankrolled SM: H entirely and is the primary production studio on it and the one distributing it, RDJ's inclusion ultimately falls to them, not Marvel Studios, so blame them for deciding to include an existing MCU character in what is supposed to be a story about Peter Parker/Spider-Man.
 
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