Spoilers Wonder Woman - Grading & Discussion
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You're comparing DCU films with movies featuring robotic testicles and "pubic-fro" dialogue?
The reason to ask for critical hits is that we're filmgoers, not Warner Brothers' accountants and we want better movies.
I take it you haven't seen the movie, but how did you manage not to see any of the promotional material for Wonder Woman?
I saw it this morning, and I loved it. They did a great job of bringing the comic book version of Wonder Woman to the screen, which even as a fan of BvS and Suicide Squad, I'll admit the other movies haven't always done.
The scenes that really stood out as perfect Wonder Woman moments for me were her in the meeting in England, and then her big superhero moment that we see in the trailer with her walking into No Man's Land by herself.
Gal Gado did an awesome job, this was her movie and she carried it perfectly. Chris Pine also did a great job as Steve and he had great chemistry with Gal Gadot. I thought they did a great job of making him a good partner for Diana, and not just turning him a gentlemen in distress, or having him do stupid shit so she could run in and save him. Those were two things that really drove me crazy at time with the Lynda Carter show,
The supporting cast was good too, although they didn't get a ton of development. I was a disappointed we didn't get more stuff with Etta, most of her scenes were the ones we've seen in the trailers.
I loved the action scenes, with the big battle on Themyscira and the fight in the village being my favorites. I didn't dislike the big fight at the end as much as most people seem to, but the other two better. I thought the length of the action scenes was pretty nice, they were long enough to get in some cool moments, but not so long that they felt dragged. Some of the CGI stunts were a little cheesy looking, especially some of the stuff with the mounted Amazons in the Themyscira battle, like a bit with Hippolyta jumping off a rearing horse.
The humor, and fish out of water moments for Diana overall worked really well.
I was a little confused at the end though, because they seemed to be saying that she stayed in Man's World all the way through to today, but I still swear that BvS said she left Man's World after the war ended, and didn't return until just before she popped up in it.
I really hope we get some more stuff on Themyscira in future movies, it was a highlight of the movie for me, and I'd love to see more of it.
This was the best DCEU movie so far, and I'd put it right up there with the best of the MCU.
A+ from me.
The scenes that really stood out as perfect Wonder Woman moments for me were her in the meeting in England, and then her big superhero moment that we see in the trailer with her walking into No Man's Land by herself.
Gal Gado did an awesome job, this was her movie and she carried it perfectly. Chris Pine also did a great job as Steve and he had great chemistry with Gal Gadot. I thought they did a great job of making him a good partner for Diana, and not just turning him a gentlemen in distress, or having him do stupid shit so she could run in and save him. Those were two things that really drove me crazy at time with the Lynda Carter show,
The supporting cast was good too, although they didn't get a ton of development. I was a disappointed we didn't get more stuff with Etta, most of her scenes were the ones we've seen in the trailers.
I loved the action scenes, with the big battle on Themyscira and the fight in the village being my favorites. I didn't dislike the big fight at the end as much as most people seem to, but the other two better. I thought the length of the action scenes was pretty nice, they were long enough to get in some cool moments, but not so long that they felt dragged. Some of the CGI stunts were a little cheesy looking, especially some of the stuff with the mounted Amazons in the Themyscira battle, like a bit with Hippolyta jumping off a rearing horse.
The humor, and fish out of water moments for Diana overall worked really well.
I was a little confused at the end though, because they seemed to be saying that she stayed in Man's World all the way through to today, but I still swear that BvS said she left Man's World after the war ended, and didn't return until just before she popped up in it.
I really hope we get some more stuff on Themyscira in future movies, it was a highlight of the movie for me, and I'd love to see more of it.
This was the best DCEU movie so far, and I'd put it right up there with the best of the MCU.
A+ from me.
Not yet, no. I just rewatched the trailer. Nope. I don't see "bright". And I see the same sort of digital grading/desaturation that has been a hallmark of movies since LOTR. Bright compared to the X-men black costumes, I guess, but that's not saying much.
It was bright and vivid in the movie, more so than in those pics.Bright? This is considered "Bright" in 2017?
That pic is from BvS.
I loved this movie, what a breath of fresh air. It was nice to have a strong female lead. I had a feeling that Steve Trevor was not going to live to see the end of this movie. It seems to be a running theme with super heroes, they can never have a love life. The only super hero who had a love life is Spiderman. Even Supergirl lost Mon el (well he can come back, he wasn't killed off) so it was sad to me to see Steve die. In the series he was Diana's boss. I just LOVED Gal Gadot. I can't wait to see her in the Justice League
The colors stand out nicely in the film, mostly when she's in No Man's Land but it's mostly due to the contrast with the grayness of the area around her which I think may have been sort of the intent. She was a colorful, inspirational, figure in this bleakness and she motivated everyone else to act.
As for her powerset I took it as her being invulnerable but not impenetrable. She could be wounded, but heals quickly and perhaps even the injuries don't impact her as much as they would a mortal. If she were struck by a bullet it may not penetrate her necessarily but it may cause her enough harm to be a distraction during a fight. But in the movie it did seem her powers grew as she learned more about her true self even to the point it seemed she had an "energy shield" she could form around herself.
I sort of wish we had gotten to see the moment of Hippolyta making Diana out of clay and preying to Zeus to bring it to life unless that's a "cover story" she tells everyone and she had an actual physical encounter with Zeus. On why the other Amazonians worried over her being harmed it may be that not everyone was fully aware of her strength and powerset. The "nurse" did say aloud how it was strange that Diana's wound on her shoulder had healed when she removed the bandage.
I do wish during the "No Man's Land" scene we'd gotten a bit more reaction from the male soldiers reacting to seeing Diana, a woman, not only go out there and take on the fight but survive so marvelously. Hell, everyone seemed to take everything she did during these battles, including her taking out the bell tower and surviving, mostly in stride.
I do sort-of wish we'd gotten a bit of her inspiring the sniper-guy to have his courage again and he made a "saving shot" near the end to protect Steve or someone else, that seemed like a small thread that wen't nowhere.
Loved her reaction to eating the ice-cream.
I wasn't totally clear on how Themyscira was so protected from the outside world. I get that it had a cloak around it, hiding it from being seen from the outside world, but Steve's plane and the German boats seemed to too easily pass through it Yeah the ocean is huge and at this time planes have only been around for about a decade and the seas aren't that heavily trafficked and the area is further hidden by a dense fog, it just still seems like it's too "easy" for someone to come across it and that the shield should have been more protective allowing for a physical barrier and some bizarre set of circumstances allowed Steve and the Germans to pass through it this one time.
So, did I read it right that Steve and Wonder Woman did it? Way to go Steve, you survived a night with the only other person in the DC-Universe who could theoretically survive a physical encounter with Superman, the woman can snap a rifle in half with her back, I can only imagine what'd she do in the throws of passion with her legs wrapped around your waist.
As for her powerset I took it as her being invulnerable but not impenetrable. She could be wounded, but heals quickly and perhaps even the injuries don't impact her as much as they would a mortal. If she were struck by a bullet it may not penetrate her necessarily but it may cause her enough harm to be a distraction during a fight. But in the movie it did seem her powers grew as she learned more about her true self even to the point it seemed she had an "energy shield" she could form around herself.
I sort of wish we had gotten to see the moment of Hippolyta making Diana out of clay and preying to Zeus to bring it to life unless that's a "cover story" she tells everyone and she had an actual physical encounter with Zeus. On why the other Amazonians worried over her being harmed it may be that not everyone was fully aware of her strength and powerset. The "nurse" did say aloud how it was strange that Diana's wound on her shoulder had healed when she removed the bandage.
I do wish during the "No Man's Land" scene we'd gotten a bit more reaction from the male soldiers reacting to seeing Diana, a woman, not only go out there and take on the fight but survive so marvelously. Hell, everyone seemed to take everything she did during these battles, including her taking out the bell tower and surviving, mostly in stride.
I do sort-of wish we'd gotten a bit of her inspiring the sniper-guy to have his courage again and he made a "saving shot" near the end to protect Steve or someone else, that seemed like a small thread that wen't nowhere.
Loved her reaction to eating the ice-cream.
I wasn't totally clear on how Themyscira was so protected from the outside world. I get that it had a cloak around it, hiding it from being seen from the outside world, but Steve's plane and the German boats seemed to too easily pass through it Yeah the ocean is huge and at this time planes have only been around for about a decade and the seas aren't that heavily trafficked and the area is further hidden by a dense fog, it just still seems like it's too "easy" for someone to come across it and that the shield should have been more protective allowing for a physical barrier and some bizarre set of circumstances allowed Steve and the Germans to pass through it this one time.
So, did I read it right that Steve and Wonder Woman did it? Way to go Steve, you survived a night with the only other person in the DC-Universe who could theoretically survive a physical encounter with Superman, the woman can snap a rifle in half with her back, I can only imagine what'd she do in the throws of passion with her legs wrapped around your waist.
Her strength has always been inconsistent and based on whatever the plot needs so I can see her getting it on with Steve without hurting him while being able to lift a tank. In the cartoon, she's not bullet proof, yet she got pummelled into the ground like a crashed plane and came out without a scratch. She's full of contradictions. Either try not to think about it too much or chalk it up to some sort of magic.So, did I read it right that Steve and Wonder Woman did it? Way to go Steve, you survived a night with the only other person in the DC-Universe who could theoretically survive a physical encounter with Superman, the woman can snap a rifle in half with her back, I can only imagine what'd she do in the throws of passion with her legs wrapped around your waist.
I brought into the film my knowledge of history and Greek culture. I am not sure how much Diana would have liked beer. The ancient Greeks did not drink beer. They drank wine diluted with water. A person who drank undiluted wine was considered a barbarian. I don't know if this would have work; however, having a scene where Diane diluted her wine before drinking and Steve's reaction might have been funny.
The film tied into a historical fact - the Germans were exhausted by the war at the end, yet there were Germans who wanted to continue the war and felt betrayed by the Armistice. So, it was good to see that.
Personally, I liked Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 better. It had a better pace and I liked the characters more - there was a realism in the characterization. Hollywood thinks that two strangers can fall into love in a matter of days, and the sacrifice of one will have a lasting effect on the other. which alters their live forever. For the most part, it is fantasy. In other words, I was skeptical about the relationship between Steve and Diane, and how much of a lasting effect it would have on Diane.
I recognized the actor who played Aries. He played Remus Lupin in Harry Potter. I had some issue with accepting him playing as Aries.
There were moments when I wanted the film to quicken the pace. The beginning was a slog.
Finally, the film presented a sanitized view of no man's land. No man's land in World War I was a mess of broken and decomposing bodies, dangerous obstacles, like mines and barbed wire, and sucking mud. It was horrendous. I was expecting at any moment for Diane to step on a mine or run into a barbed wire.
The film tied into a historical fact - the Germans were exhausted by the war at the end, yet there were Germans who wanted to continue the war and felt betrayed by the Armistice. So, it was good to see that.
Personally, I liked Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 better. It had a better pace and I liked the characters more - there was a realism in the characterization. Hollywood thinks that two strangers can fall into love in a matter of days, and the sacrifice of one will have a lasting effect on the other. which alters their live forever. For the most part, it is fantasy. In other words, I was skeptical about the relationship between Steve and Diane, and how much of a lasting effect it would have on Diane.
I recognized the actor who played Aries. He played Remus Lupin in Harry Potter. I had some issue with accepting him playing as Aries.
There were moments when I wanted the film to quicken the pace. The beginning was a slog.
Finally, the film presented a sanitized view of no man's land. No man's land in World War I was a mess of broken and decomposing bodies, dangerous obstacles, like mines and barbed wire, and sucking mud. It was horrendous. I was expecting at any moment for Diane to step on a mine or run into a barbed wire.
Just finished seeing the film, and I give it an A. It would be an A+, but the middle part of the story felt way too reminiscent of other films, notably the first Captain America.
I heard part of a radio show review of the film this morning, and one of the things they mentioned is that the movie loses the dourness of Man of Steel. Batman v Superman, and Suicide Squad, but, to be perfectly honest, there is no significant difference tonally or aesthetically between Wonder Woman and those films, and any perceptions to the contrary are just that: perceptions.
As an origin story, the film is very evocative of Man of Steel, but it is able to avoid feeling like a copy of MoS by framing itself as a first-person narrative, thus allowing it to do things, narratively, that MoS couldnt.
I knew ahead of time that David Thewlis' Sir Patrick Morgan was really Ares, but the film found a way to make me forget that detail until it was revealed to Diana.
Going into the film, I had been wondering where it would best fit chronologically, and had convinced myself that it was going to end up being the first film of the DCEU sequentially, so to see it begin with a repeat of one of Batman v Superman's denounment scenes was pleasantly surprising.
I briefly mentioned David Thewlis' Ares above, but wanted to circle back to him and say that I think he did a really good job of capturing the character's menace, especially once he revealed himself to Diana. I also think he and Gal Gadot played really well off of one another once the gloves came off narratively, and allowed him to disabuse me of the image of Professor Lupin that I had in my head for a lot of the film.
I also really liked the rest of the film's cast, particularly Chris Pine. He played Steve Trevor as a sort of "powerless Captain America", which worked for the story and helped emphasize the impact of his sacrifice while also making him a parallel in a lot of ways to Clark Kent/Superman as portrayed in BvS
All in all, I really enjoyed the film, and am intrigued to see how it will end up fitting when watched as a direct follow-up to BvS.
I heard part of a radio show review of the film this morning, and one of the things they mentioned is that the movie loses the dourness of Man of Steel. Batman v Superman, and Suicide Squad, but, to be perfectly honest, there is no significant difference tonally or aesthetically between Wonder Woman and those films, and any perceptions to the contrary are just that: perceptions.
As an origin story, the film is very evocative of Man of Steel, but it is able to avoid feeling like a copy of MoS by framing itself as a first-person narrative, thus allowing it to do things, narratively, that MoS couldnt.
I knew ahead of time that David Thewlis' Sir Patrick Morgan was really Ares, but the film found a way to make me forget that detail until it was revealed to Diana.
Going into the film, I had been wondering where it would best fit chronologically, and had convinced myself that it was going to end up being the first film of the DCEU sequentially, so to see it begin with a repeat of one of Batman v Superman's denounment scenes was pleasantly surprising.
I briefly mentioned David Thewlis' Ares above, but wanted to circle back to him and say that I think he did a really good job of capturing the character's menace, especially once he revealed himself to Diana. I also think he and Gal Gadot played really well off of one another once the gloves came off narratively, and allowed him to disabuse me of the image of Professor Lupin that I had in my head for a lot of the film.
I also really liked the rest of the film's cast, particularly Chris Pine. He played Steve Trevor as a sort of "powerless Captain America", which worked for the story and helped emphasize the impact of his sacrifice while also making him a parallel in a lot of ways to Clark Kent/Superman as portrayed in BvS
All in all, I really enjoyed the film, and am intrigued to see how it will end up fitting when watched as a direct follow-up to BvS.
The actual costumes and props look different on film due to lighting, the filming process and color correction.Bright? This is considered "Bright" in 2017?
Just saw Wonder Woman. I can't stand the other DC films, but that was amazing. It was nice to have a superhero who was a hero because it was the right thing to do and not only focused on saving the innocent but inspiring others. Gal Godot was perfect and Chris Pine was absolutely delightful.
She said she "walked away from mankind", the ending of WW shows she didn't literally walk away, instead she realized that we're capable of great evil, but also great good, and decided to let humanity choose its own fate free from the gods' influence. So by "walk away" she meant she didn't interfere in the affairs of men.
She obviously had some heroic adventures in the intervening years, since she somehow got a new sword that can slice through Doomsday, and she's "killed things from other worlds before" and Ares, even though a god, is from this world.
Review later, but for now, Wonder Woman is a grand addition to the growing, strong DC film universe. Barely a frame wasted, and that's rare for comic book movies.
The fact that the film subverted our assumptions about what Diana's comment to Bruce at Clark's funeral meant is one of the reasons I'm intrigued by the prospect of getting to rewatch it directly after BvS, because I expect that everything in that movie involving her will take on an entirely new context.
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