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Wonder Woman (2017)

Skipper said:
Now we are reviewing the reviews?
Forbes: 'Wonder Woman' Review: DC Comics' Best Film Since 'The Dark Knight'
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I dislike statements like this because it turns things into a competition.

It's good for the DCEU for Wonder Woman to be getting positive reviews, but it's not necessary - nor is it fair - to completely diminish the nearly 10 years' worth of hard work that has gone into establishing the DCEU and the myriad of interesting and culturally relevant ideas that have been explored in that span of time, both within the DCEU and outside of it, by making hyperbolic statements like what I quoted.
 
Not fair? Oh well, the DCEU will just have to breathe deep and deal with it.

Maybe some day the DCEU will have so many well liked movies in it that the "First three" dislike will just be a funny little footnote. Kind of the way Green Lantern was supposed to be the first DCEU movie until it sucked so hard that even WB said, "Let's try that again."

People who like MoS/BvS/SS will never agree with the people who do not like them. Can't we all just be happy that Wonder Woman is apparently awesome?
 
While I was watching Whiplash I thought: "Why for Americans everything must be some kind of competition? These people want just to play music, for God's sake!"
 
DigificWriter said:
I dislike statements like this because it turns things into a competition.

It's good for the DCEU for Wonder Woman to be getting positive reviews, but it's not necessary - nor is it fair - to completely diminish the nearly 10 years' worth of hard work that has gone into establishing the DCEU and the myriad of interesting and culturally relevant ideas that have been explored in that span of time, both within the DCEU and outside of it, by making hyperbolic statements like what I quoted.
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Actually it's 4 years and I'm not sure any ideas that really been explored so far. They're faux-deep stuff like "what if Superman was real, the government would hate him".
 
Awesome Possum said:
Actually it's 4 years and I'm not sure any ideas that really been explored so far. They're faux-deep stuff like "what if Superman was real, the government would hate him".
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2008 to 2017 is 9 years, which is relevant because the headline I quoted used The Dark Knight as a 'benchmark ', completely ignoring and diminishing not only the first 3 installments of the DCEU, but also The Dark Knight Rises.

Also, MoS, BvS, and SS have thematic narratives that run far deeper than what you're trying to reduce them to, ranging from the Biblical and Mythological to the political and the philosophical, and are as rich as, if not richer than The Dark Knight in that regard.
 
Man of Steel was the first film of the DCEU, it came out in 2013. The Dark Knight trilogy is not connected to the DCEU, it was self-contained.
 
Awesome Possum said:
Man of Steel was the first film of the DCEU, it came out in 2013. The Dark Knight trilogy is not connected to the DCEU, it was self-contained.
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I know that, but, again, that review headline chose TDK as a benchmark comparison, thereby diminishing everything - not just those films that make up the DCEU - that DC has released, film-wise, since that film came out.
 
People will always compare films. Just because someone says that X is the best film since Y, doesn't necessarily mean they didn't like any of the films in between. It just means that they think X is great.

And even if they don't like the in-betweens...what does it actually matter?
 
No. The title to the review clearly says that everything between dark Knight and Wonder Woman has been shit, which frankly, Is a statement that I may totally agree with, after having seen Wonder Woman, if it performs as promised.
 
Tosk said:
People will always compare films. Just because someone says that X is the best film since Y, doesn't necessarily mean they didn't like any of the films in between. It just means that they think X is great.
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Probably even the first Lumiére brothers' movie was compared to something else...
 
DigificWriter said:
I know that, but, again, that review headline chose TDK as a benchmark comparison, thereby diminishing everything - not just those films that make up the DCEU - that DC has released, film-wise, since that film came out.
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They have been pretty awful and forgettable.
 
DigificWriter said:
According to you; audience reception and box-office numbers say otherwise.
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All of which have fallen short of what the studio wanted. Before it premiered, the studio was bragging that BvS would make over $1 billion. The rest have had large openings, then huge drop offs. That generally means bad word of mouth.
 
DigificWriter said:
According to you; audience reception and box-office numbers say otherwise.
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Idiots trying to forget about a 60 hour week at the mill, before they make a baby in the parking lot out back? Sure, they were entertained, or they paid their money before they found out this shit was awful.

As nerds, it is our religion to watch this shit over and over again, and stay hard.

I just can't.

It's just all so lackluster.

Releasing a movie nationally and internationally, all at once, on the same fricking day, means that there is no opportunity for word of mouth to warn regular people that they are spending their money on a shitty flick.

In the old days it used to take movies weeks to make their first million, and months until they ran out of stream.

It's a brand new world, or it least it was a brand new world about maybe a decade ago.
 
Movies with "bad word of mouth" don't generally earn 700 million or more EACH, which is exactly what happened with all 3 of the DCEU films released so far.

Another flaw in the notion that every DC film that's been released since 2008 manifests itself in the fact that one of those movies, The Dark Knight Rises, earned more, worldwide, than its predecessor, The Dark Knight, the movie that some want to hold up as the 'pinnacle ' of DC filmmaking.
 
I refuse to see any of them in theaters after Man of Steel. I rented BvS and Suicide Squad and regret spending money and hours of my life on them. I have hope for Wonder Woman though. Not much for Justice League.
 
Awesome Possum said:
I refuse to see any of them in theaters after Man of Steel. I rented BvS and Suicide Squad and regret spending money and hours of my life on them. I have hope for Wonder Woman though. Not much for Justice League.
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So? Like I said, movies with bad "word of mouth" don't generally earn the kind of money, overalk, that MoS, BvS, and SS did. You choosing not to see BvS and SS in theaters is literally irrelevant.
 
DigificWriter said:
Movies with "bad word of mouth" don't generally earn 700 million or more EACH, which is exactly what happened with all 3 of the DCEU films released so far.

Another flaw in the notion that every DC film that's been released since 2008 manifests itself in the fact that one of those movies, The Dark Knight Rises, earned more, worldwide, than its predecessor, The Dark Knight, the movie that some want to hold up as the 'pinnacle ' of DC filmmaking.
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They earned most of it on the opening weekend, then there is a huge drop off. That's a bad sign for a movie since you want it to get bigger.

Dark Knight Rises was also coming off the success of the Dark Knight, an audience and critical darling and considered to be one of the best comic book films of all time. It was always going to be huge.
 
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