Spoilers Supergirl - Season 2

[Awesome Possum]

I haven't called anyone sexist. I've just pointed out that certain posts are sexist, which they are. I'm also not a misandrist, I'm actually offended by that. But if we're going to live in a culture that's entirely sexist against women, something you refuse to comment on every time it's brought up (you are only concerned with men), then it's entirely fair for a few shows to turn the tables on them. Is that not fair and equal? Not really. Especially when it's mainly limited to Supergirl. But at least men are treated fairly (meaning superior to women), because the single worst thing happening to men is Supergirl making fun of them. You poor babies.

ETA: I'm done with this, clearly there are bigger issues than a few lines of dialogue on Supergirl or Supergirl beating up her cousin. I'm tired of wasting my time on the pathetic idea that the show is somehow sexist against men.

 

[Kirk Prime]

We do not live in a culture that is "entirely sexist against women." It's simply factually false. There are very few things one gender can do that the other can't here. That includes negative things, like hypocrisy. If one believes that sexism is a bad thing, then that should include when their own gender is the one acting sexist.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

We do not live in a culture that is "entirely sexist against women." It's simply factually false.

Oh, yeah? Why do women still earn only 80 cents on the dollar compared to men?

 

[Reverend]

It appears some individuals are under the mistaken impression that misandry means "any state other than misogyny", rather than "the exact opposite of misogyny." I suggest said people consult a dictionary.
Also: shush!

If Supergirl hadn't gotten stuck in the Phantom Zone, and arrived on Earth 5 minutes after Kal-EL instead of 24 years later, it would have saved time and paper work to call Kal-El her son, and raise him as her son, especially if they both said goodbye to the Kents almost immediately, because why the hell wouldn't she want to build her own Fortress with Kryptonian tech, rather than sleep in a (comparative) shed?

You've ever looked at them like they were mother and son?

Oh my, how narrow your world is.

Pretty sure if the Kents found a 12 year old in a field with a baby she claimed was her son and is unable to provide a human name or address for her parents, their next call would be to social services and/or the police.
Next comes foster care and probably adoption for baby Kal while Kara gets shoved into the system.
Which would make the show about a teenage runaway Kara living rough in an alien world, searching for her infant cousin....which come to think of it isn't the worst premise for a show I've ever heard.

Hell, something along those lines would certainly be an interesting way to introduce Earth-1 Kara/Power Girl.

 

[Jedi_Master]

We do not live in a culture that is "entirely sexist against women." It's simply factually false. There are very few things one gender can do that the other can't here. That includes negative things, like hypocrisy. If one believes that sexism is a bad thing, then that should include when their own gender is the one acting sexist.

This post is exceptionally resistant to facts and reality.

 

[Kirk Prime]

Oh, yeah? Why do women still earn only 80 cents on the dollar compared to men?

There are a lot of factors toward that other than gender. But on the introductory level, it's actually very close to equal. If you factor in education, job type, hours worked etc., women earn 98 cents on the dollar. That's statistically insignificant, and that 98 cents is up from 97 cents a year earlier.

This post is exceptionally resistant to facts and reality.

And this post is merely an opinion that isn't backed up by anything. Admittedly though, this is very off topic.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

There are a lot of factors toward that other than gender. But on the introductory level, it's actually very close to equal. If you factor in education, job type, hours worked etc., women earn 98 cents on the dollar. That's statistically insignificant, and that 98 cents is up from 97 cents a year earlier.

Right, so in other words, if you weigh the data to eliminate evidence of discrimination, you're magically left with no evidence of discrimination. Gotya!

 

[BillJ]

There are a lot of factors toward that other than gender.

Do tell?

 

[Awesome Possum]

We do not live in a culture that is "entirely sexist against women." It's simply factually false. There are very few things one gender can do that the other can't here. That includes negative things, like hypocrisy. If one believes that sexism is a bad thing, then that should include when their own gender is the one acting sexist.

That's less connected to reality than your knowledge on the differences between the Kryptonian genders.

 

[dahj]

I still just find it incredibly ironic that some of you are offended by Cat saying that guys like to measure dicks, yet you spent the better part of the last 20 pages of this thread arguing that Superman should have a bigger dick than Supergirl.

 

[Kirk Prime]

Do tell?

I did. Did you read the rest of the post?

That's less connected to reality than your knowledge on the differences between the Kryptonian genders.

Right. Accurate.

 

[Jax]

We do not live in a culture that is "entirely sexist against women

How does one measure such things? entirely, somewhat, a little...Please inform me how much sexism is acceptable to you? Though I guess this is a topic for TNZ and not a Supergirl thread.

 

[BillJ]

I did. Did you read the rest of the post?

Women working full-time are making 80 percent of what men make. With the pay gap closing maybe in 2059 (42 years from now).

http://www.aauw.org/research/the-simple-truth-about-the-gender-pay-gap/

Did you know that in 2015, women working full time in the United States typically were paid just 80 percent of what men were paid, a gap of 20 percent? While the number has gone up one percentage point from 2014, the change isn’t statistically significant — because the increase is so small, mere tenths of a percent, it doesn’t amount to perceptible change. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the earnings ratio hasn’t had significant annual change since 2007. The gap has narrowed since the 1970s, due largely to women’s progress in education and workforce participation and to men’s wages rising at a slower rate. Still, the pay gap does not appear likely to go away on its own. At the rate of change between 1960 and 2015, women are expected to reach pay equity with men in 2059. But even that slow progress has stalled in recent years. If change continues at the slower rate seen since 2001, women will not reach pay equity with men until 2152.

Earnings for both female and male full-time workers tend to increase with age, though earnings increase more slowly after age 45 and even decrease after age 55. The gender pay gap also grows with age, and differences among older workers are considerably larger than gaps among younger workers. Women typically earn about 90 percent of what men are paid until they hit 35. After that median earnings for women are typically 74–82 percent of what men are paid.

As a rule, earnings increase as years of education increase for both men and women. However, while more education is a useful tool for increasing earnings, it is not effective against the gender pay gap. At every level of academic achievement, women’s median earnings are less than men’s median earnings, and in some cases, the gender pay gap is larger at higher levels of education.

Apparently it is a great time to be a woman in America!

 

[Awesome Possum]

I did. Did you read the rest of the post?



Right. Accurate.

Post proof.

 

[Reverend]

How does one measure such things? entirely, somewhat, a little...Please inform me how much sexism is acceptable to you? Though I guess this is a topic for TNZ and not a Supergirl thread.

For some reason I just got a mental image of a scientific instrument for measuring the precise frequency, amplitude and polarity of misanthropy in the immediate environment...sounds like a Farnsworth invention.

 

[Kirk Prime]

Women working full-time are making 80 percent of what men make. With the pay gap closing maybe in 2059 (42 years from now).

So you did NOT read the post I made. The problem with those numbers is that they are raw and uncontrolled, and don't take into account that gender isn't the reason for the gap. They don't take into account education, experience, hours worked, and type of work. They are just a generic number that makes a false claim. When you actually compare apples to apples, you would find that women make 98 cents on the dollar and that number is closing, so no, it isn't going to be 42 years.

Women who work the same hours, in the same job, make the same money, even if it goes against the victim narrative.

If you really are interested in proof, and are open minded, here you go:

https://www.prageru.com/courses/political-science/there-no-gender-wage-gap

As the video here shows, if women really worked cheaper, why wouldn't businesses, out for profit, only higher women?

There are so many variables, that it can't be simply assigned to sexism. In fact, there is almost no proof of that. Please watch the video in my link, and do so with an open mind.

 

[tenmei]

With all due respect, the EU disagrees ...
http://ec.europa.eu/justice/gender-equality/gender-pay-gap/index_en.htm

As does the UK government ...
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-gender-pay-gap

And the Canadians ...
http://www.payequity.gov.on.ca/en/GWG/Pages/what_is_GWG.aspx

Obviously there are things that lead to the gender pay gap - women are more likely to work part time, but also mothers were more likely to be granted parental leave, which has led to the shared parental leave option being brought into play and women are more likely to take the option to be a stay-at-home parent due to outdated gender roles etc

But these are things, symptoms and results, of society being driven by - as before - outdated gender roles, and therefore, caused by - at it's root - sexism.

 

[Awesome Possum]

So you did NOT read the post I made. The problem with those numbers is that they are raw and uncontrolled, and don't take into account that gender isn't the reason for the gap. They don't take into account education, experience, hours worked, and type of work. They are just a generic number that makes a false claim. When you actually compare apples to apples, you would find that women make 98 cents on the dollar and that number is closing, so no, it isn't going to be 42 years.

Women who work the same hours, in the same job, make the same money, even if it goes against the victim narrative.

If you really are interested in proof, and are open minded, here you go:

https://www.prageru.com/courses/political-science/there-no-gender-wage-gap

As the video here shows, if women really worked cheaper, why wouldn't businesses, out for profit, only higher women?

There are so many variables, that it can't be simply assigned to sexism. In fact, there is almost no proof of that. Please watch the video in my link, and do so with an open mind.

We asked for proof not a YouTube video from a conservative think tank.

You do know what proof is? Hard data, evidence. Not just some video that confirms your beliefs.

 

[Tuskin38]

I know I'm not a mod, and sorry for stepping on their toes, but could you please move this to PMs? We're completely off topic now, not even arguing over Supergirl now but just gender issues in general. I'd like to get back to actually discussing the show.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

"Be open minded" is code for "check your objectivity at the door." It's not the sort of qualification that needs stating.

I know I'm not a mod, and sorry for stepping on their toes, but could you please move this to PMs? We're completely off topic now, not even arguing over Supergirl now but just gender issues in general. I'd like to get back to actually discussing the show.

We're discussing issues that have been raised in the show itself. Seems germane to me.