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Ah, okay. It's hard to read sarcasm through text.
Kelvin Timeline all but confirmed
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Nope, it won't. Whack-jobs like Fitz and Owen are already burning down Trek groups on Facebook over it.
It's all good
Who are Fitz and Owen, and why should I care what they think?
Nut jobs.
You shouldn't.
It has been stated a number of times, this is indeed the prime timeline
They didn't have to be changed from the basic TOS design. They just wanted to.
Tell that to the producers!
Or, maybe they're telling the truth. Let's just wait and see. That's only logical.
Tell that to the producers!
Apparently you and your little laughing crying green emoticon missed the post where I said I was being sarcastic.
And to think just a few days ago people were questioning why I'd call Sullivan's text irresponsible.
It's the Prime Universe Trekkies deserve, but not the Prime Universe they need right now.
I think the problem with some of the expectations as to what designs look like is that people are building their expectations based on it's relation to other periods of Trek, rather than to what we expect the future to look like from our current standpoint.
To go further - The TOS bridge and designs were based on what someone though those things would look like in the future based on what we saw in the 1960s (not to mention budget limitations, etc.) From a 1960s standpoint, that bridge and that ship probably DID look futuristic. Then as time went on, real world designs and technology changed, so here came the movies and they had to adapt to what something futuristic would look like from a 1970s/1980s stand point. Then here came TNG, and that was based on what they thought something would look in the future from a 1980s stand point. While this works out since as the series progressed, you then had "Enterprise" which made designs that looked futuristic from a 2001 standpoint but now looked more futuristic than TOS. Seriously, how do you make something look LESS advanced than TOS designs when we already have technology and aesthetics that are more detailed and advanced from that now? That's something that needs consideration.
The other thing to consider is that with High Definition and the clarity if offers there is opportunity to exploit that with more details and more detailed designs. As a matter of fact, they even did this when "The Motion Picture" hit the big screen, adding tons of details to the hull, the details on the ship's interior, etc. Even "Enterprise" did this with adding an aztec pattern on the Constitution Class "Defiant." I personally think adding detail for the sake of adding detail does not always yield good results, however, it is part of the thinking that goes on.
To go further - The TOS bridge and designs were based on what someone though those things would look like in the future based on what we saw in the 1960s (not to mention budget limitations, etc.) From a 1960s standpoint, that bridge and that ship probably DID look futuristic. Then as time went on, real world designs and technology changed, so here came the movies and they had to adapt to what something futuristic would look like from a 1970s/1980s stand point. Then here came TNG, and that was based on what they thought something would look in the future from a 1980s stand point. While this works out since as the series progressed, you then had "Enterprise" which made designs that looked futuristic from a 2001 standpoint but now looked more futuristic than TOS. Seriously, how do you make something look LESS advanced than TOS designs when we already have technology and aesthetics that are more detailed and advanced from that now? That's something that needs consideration.
The other thing to consider is that with High Definition and the clarity if offers there is opportunity to exploit that with more details and more detailed designs. As a matter of fact, they even did this when "The Motion Picture" hit the big screen, adding tons of details to the hull, the details on the ship's interior, etc. Even "Enterprise" did this with adding an aztec pattern on the Constitution Class "Defiant." I personally think adding detail for the sake of adding detail does not always yield good results, however, it is part of the thinking that goes on.
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I honestly think they wouldn't give a fuck. They are just trying to produce a good show, as they should be. They are not trying recreate a “historically faithful” look and feel of Star Trek from 1964. They only come out with the prime timeline answers, because interviewers pester them about it and because they don't want to offend the perceived desire of the True Fans™. But I'm sure if you'd ask them privately they'd confirm that they don't really care. Again, as they shouldn't be.Tell that to the producers!
I think this nails it. And it also highlights why I think saying it's Prime is a bad idea. The only reason for it is to please the True Fans™, but what they want is Star Trek Continues, and so trying to please them is just going to make them angry when they don't get anything like that.
I also find it weird that fans are still so OCD about Discovery being faithful to TOS when we already have Continues for that. You'd think their needs will have been satiated
Aesthetics change (the gleaming white marble of Greek statuary that spawned centuries of imitation was originally painted in garish colors).
Engineering design is constantly changing, with layers of complexity gradually hidden away behind a veneer of simplicity.
Ideas about utility change, as devices become more reliable/more easily replaceable and decisions which required human intervention become automated.
This is essentially a fruitless discussion...
Engineering design is constantly changing, with layers of complexity gradually hidden away behind a veneer of simplicity.
Ideas about utility change, as devices become more reliable/more easily replaceable and decisions which required human intervention become automated.
This is essentially a fruitless discussion...
They're telling the truth "from a certain point of view" - you know, like when Obi Wan told Luke that Darth Vader had murdered his father.
From a totally external perspective. From the perspective of the shows, it's just an alternate future that didn't happen. Like in The Visitor or All Good Things (which with parallels, is the only episodes that actually do a 'parallel ' universe approach. )
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