Just wait until the Vulcans don't show up on First Contact day and all my Star Trek Blu-rays disappear.
Kelvin Timeline all but confirmed
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Head canon is dumb? How nice. Then so is creativity. Hurray for...not toying with ideas? If it works for you, it works for you.
One of us is not judgmental.
One of us is not judgmental.
Why would the setting be "hot" but not the generalized look of it? The "look" is a huge, distinctive part of TOS. I'm not saying they shouldn't use technology that will seem futuristic to audiences nor modern production techniques, but I think they take a chance of people groaning as they see Starfleet ships mimicking the dark and gritty of the modern era on a series that is supposed to (to the public) be about peaceful exploration.
Many people, like myself the look is not important at all. It's not more, it's a look used 3 years out of 51 and rebooted by it's on creator.
The stories and lore are hot, the look is dated.
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Head canons have existed in Trek since there were spats over whether TAS really 'happened' or whether you acknowledged 'Spock's Brain'. And everyone has one of some description, little details they fill in themselves, backstory they insert or explanations which only make sense to them. Nothing dumb about that.
Sounds kind of dumb to me.
...not sure if troll or just unused to interacting with actual people...
Seriously, people who never fill in gaps in their own minds miss out on a whole damn lot.
Seriously, people who never fill in gaps in their own minds miss out on a whole damn lot.
Indeed. It's one of my favorite parts of TOS is adding in my own little bits and details, after reading Trimble's Concordance for the 100th time....not sure if troll or just unused to interacting with actual people...
Seriously, people who never fill in gaps in their own minds miss out on a whole damn lot.
Same here! It's at least half the fan experience to me! It's the reason official novels and fan fiction exist.
Thanks grandpa
Head canons have existed in Trek since there were spats over whether TAS really 'happened' or whether you acknowledged 'Spock's Brain'. And everyone has one of some description, little details they fill in themselves, backstory they insert or explanations which only make sense to them. Nothing dumb about that.
I learned a long time ago Star Trek will never be made again in the manner I prefer. Now days I just react to it with a "is this shit any good?" approach. Whether I consider it good Star Trek or good scifi, if there's a "good" somewhere in the judgement I'll take what I can get. There just isn't enough spaceship based TV shows to get overly picky.
Honestly, while there are some vague similarilities between the KT!Enterprise look and DSC I think that DSC has more in common with NX-01 (via evolution), Franklin, Kelvin and even one or two of the Connie Refit Bridges have more in common visually than the former.
Which is the odd bridge out?
Swap out the KT Enterprise bridge for the USS Vengeance - the same set painted black and with a few other modifications - and it fits just fine. It's the white paint that makes it stand out and nothing else.Honestly, while there are some vague similarilities between the KT!Enterprise look and DSC I think that DSC has more in common with NX-01 (via evolution), Franklin, Kelvin and even one or two of the Connie Refit Bridges have more in common visually than the former.
Which is the odd bridge out?
Starfleet's mission was one of peaceful exploration, but that's seldom what happened in the actual movies and episodes. There was always plenty of danger and conflict. I can't even think of a TOS episode where the crew just beamed down a planet, took a few readings, made contact with the locals, and moved on without any trouble arising. All those red-shirts did not die of natural causes.
Even the episodes that end on a peaceful note ("The Corbomite Maneuver," "Devil in the Dark," "Shore Leave," "The Squire of Gothos," "Friday's Child," etc.) don't start out that way. There's conflict and casualties and plenty of action and adventure along the way.
And, judging from what we see in the trailer, that's exactly what happens to Discovery. They stumble onto a mysterious alien thingie, they decide to investigate in the name of science and peaceful exploration . . . and Red Alert! Raise Shields! Battle stations!
How is that darkier and grittier than a typical TOS ep?
Excellently put. I think the aspiration of Star Trek is often mistaken for the execution.Starfleet's mission was one of peaceful exploration, but that's seldom what happened in the actual movies and episodes. There was always plenty of danger and conflict. I can't even think of a TOS episode where the crew just beamed down a planet, took a few readings, made contact with the locals, and moved on without any trouble arising. All those red-shirts did not die of natural causes.
Even the episodes that end on a peaceful note ("The Corbomite Maneuver," "Devil in the Dark," "Shore Leave," "The Squire of Gothos," "Friday's Child," etc.) don't start out that way. There's conflict and casualties and plenty of action and adventure along the way.
And, judging from what we see in the trailer, that's exactly what happens to Discovery. They stumble onto a mysterious alien thingie, they decide to investigate in the name of science and exploration . . . and Red Alert! Raise Shields! Battle stations!
How is that darkier and grittier than a typical TOS ep?
Not a big fan of the all black look personally. It makes sense for the Vengeance at least, since it's evil. I would prefer More of a medium gray, like the NX 01 or The Enterprise A in TUC. There's plenty of light, but the blackness makes the bridge feel very dark. Of course, we still don't know what the bridge of the Discovery looks like. There's a lot we still don't know, really.Swap out the KT Enterprise bridge for the USS Vengeance - the same set painted black and with a few other modifications - and it fits just fine. It's the white paint that makes it stand out and nothing else.
Honestly, while there are some vague similarilities between the KT!Enterprise look and DSC I think that DSC has more in common with NX-01 (via evolution), Franklin, Kelvin and even one or two of the Connie Refit Bridges have more in common visually than the former.
Which is the odd bridge out?
Swap out the KT Enterprise bridge for the USS Vengeance - the same set painted black and with a few other modifications - and it fits just fine. It's the white paint that makes it stand out and nothing else.
Okay, I agree that the Vengence bridge adds to the tally of similar rather than different bridges.
The bridge for the Kobayashi Maru simulation is broadly similar again, but with some retro touches that put it as a Franklin-era or older design. Actually, the simulator uniform looks like somewhat like I imagine a Class C version of the DSC uniform might look like.
I think it could be argued that we aren't in the same timeline as the original version of TOS (the updated visuals allow for that), however IMO there is no quality evidence to date that favours the Kelvin Timeline over (one closer to) the Prime Timeline at this time.
Note, I will revise this position if there are references to events of the Kelvin Trilogy including but not limited "trouble in the Laurentian System", the destruction off Vulcan, Admiral (rather than Captain) Pike, Captain (rather than Lieutenant) Jim Kirk, or an attack on Earth similar to an earlier attack on Vulcan.
However, given that rights issues might legally prevent them from using Paramount's Kelvin Timeline (similar to TrekLit's restrictions on the same), I chose to believe the production team when they say that is the Prime Timeline (ie the same timeline we last saw in NEM) with the proviso that decades of time travel may have changed this from the original version of TOS without undermining the "broad strokes" (which cameos by most of the TOS crew confirms) of the timeline.
Nowadays it's all about HD - hence the tiny delta patterns on the movie uniforms and on the side panels of the Discovery ones.It's probably worth remembering that a lot of the original "look" of STAR TREK was intended to sell color televisions.
Probably not a big consideration these days.
Does it come with a VHS player, is my question. I need a new one.It's probably worth remembering that a lot of the original "look" of STAR TREK was intended to sell color televisions.
Probably not a big consideration these days.
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