Kelvin Timeline all but confirmed

[BillJ]

Why do people care so much which timeline it's in? If the story is written with even an once of credibility, it will never matter.

I tend to prefer it exist in its own timeline or as a prequel to the Abrams films. Looking at what they presented, I have a hard time seeing it fitting into the Prime timeline. That's just my $ .01 (can't afford two, Trump's going to end up tanking the economy).

 

[Firebird]

You're probably right.

No. The Kelvin was destroyed in 2233. Discovery is said to be 10 years before Kirk, which would put it somewhere in the 2240s or 2250s.

True, but there's absolutely nothing in the trailer that visually resembles TOS. Imagine for a moment that in the entire first season, there are no plot element that contradict either Prime events or Kelvin events (impossible, I know. But use your imagination.) Do you accept that it's Prime because the producers said so, or do you accept Kelvin because that's what it actually looks like?

Tell me, how would you have reacted in 1979 to The Motion Picture? The entire visual aesthetic is completely different from TOS, despite taking place only 2-3 years later, yet the majority of fans accepted it all in stride as being part of the same universe. Yes, even the bumpy headed Klingons. Visual styles change as the decades go by, it's a fact of life. If Gene was able to say the movies and TNG took place in the original timeline, I don't see why the word of one of the producers/writers of DSC doesn't carry the same weight.

But I guess that would mean there wouldn't be a thread to argue about it then, would there?

 

[Starbreaker]

This show looks like the movies. That's OK with me. If it looked like Star Trek '66, then there would be about 300 basement dwelling losers watching, and it would be cancelled after one episode.

 

[Warped9]

Meh. Ten years before Kirk ad the Enterprise? Funny, doesn't look remotely anything like the TOS Pike era. And given Starfleet and the Klingons look so different then this is still the JJverse...or it is yet another alternate timeline.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I'll proffer that the number of people who will watch the pilot because they became fans with the nuFilms and the aesthetic/tone is more accessible to them is greater than the number of people who will rage and storm off and never tune in.

 

[RAMA]

This show looks like the movies. That's OK with me.

Quite a compliment!! True too

 

[RAMA]

Meh. Ten years before Kirk ad the Enterprise? Funny, doesn't look remotely anything like the TOS Pike era. And given Starfleet and the Klingons look so different then this is still the JJverse...or it is yet another alternate timeline.

Reimagining. Same timeline. Looks terrific.

 

[Tuskin38]

Funny, doesn't look remotely anything like the TOS Pike era

Would you really expect them to make a show in 2017 look like the 1960s?

 

[RAMA]

Would you really expect them to make a show in 2017 look like the 1960s?

Yes, because the brainwashed amongst us think modern trek should look like Star Trek Continues.

 

[Dar70]

I don't mind visual updates. It's doesn't or shouldn't have to look exactly like TOS or a proto TOS.(the cage) But you know it has to have some visual ties somewhere. Not just a round room with a chair in the middle. That's a concept. The ST:Enterprise Episodes in a Mirror Darkly bridged the looks perfectly. They slightly redesigned the looks of TOS sets and even the NX-01 as the series went on had winky Blinky lights added and such to make it look a bit more proto TOS/Cage....so a lot of styling cue discrepancies were explained away easily with ST:ENTERPRISE since it was set so far in the past. They set up the TOS Klingon look as well. Now here we have yet another Klingon look, another huge departure from Asthetics and only a ten year gap between it and TOS and probably a year from the cage.
They could have done a much better job. They didn't imo and it's just making Prime Trek seem more and more contrived regarding visuals and makeup. They had a chance to be a bit more consistent and blew it.As a whole the entire Star Trek franchise is beginning to look more and more like a patchwork Frankenstein Monster and I'm just kind of tired of it now. Probably won't bother with this show. ADD to the previous mythos a bit more realistically. That's all fans ask for. But yet here we have such a departure it can't be the same. I HOPE it is in the Kelvin Universe so people don't constantly come up with stupid contrived reasons for continuity discrepanies.

I hope one day we get either a true prequel/sequel or a PROPER REBOOT.

They should have gotten Manny Coto In there but he's busy doing a good show like 24.lol

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Meh. Ten years before Kirk ad the Enterprise? Funny, doesn't look remotely anything like the TOS Pike era. And given Starfleet and the Klingons look so different then this is still the JJverse...or it is yet another alternate timeline.

...and, SCENE.

 

[Rahul]

I tend to prefer it exist in its own timeline or as a prequel to the Abrams films. Looking at what they presented, I have a hard time seeing it fitting into the Prime timeline. That's just my $ .01 (can't afford two, Trump's going to end up tanking the economy).

The visuals sure look a lot like the Abrams-movies. But then again: The Abrams movies pretty much were "what would TOS look like if it were filmed today?". And since Discovery takes place right before TOS, and is made today, there will be similarities.

But in terms of canon it's clearly prime universe:
There was no Kelvin-incident, Kirks' dad is still alive, no old Nimoy-Spock hangs around, neither does Nero or red matter anywere, Admiral Marcus isn't the boss at starfleet, and Vulcan won't be destroyed a few years later. It's plot continuity, not visual continuity.

 

[Dar70]

Would you really expect them to make a show in 2017 look like the 1960s?

NO NO NO NO......most people have never wanted that. Read my last post to see what I mean.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Not so bold prediction: There will never be any concrete evidence--dialog, props, whatever--that explicitly places the series in a specific timeline.

 

[uniderth]

Yes, because the brainwashed amongst us think modern trek should look like Star Trek Continues.

And there are also brainwashed among us who think modern trek should look lens flares and greebles.

'MUH GREEBLIES!

 

[The Wormhole]

Just a reminder to everyone, it was never stated that this show was set in the Prime Universe, all that was said was that it was not set in the Kelvin Timeline, which still proves the OP wrong.

 

[Dukhat]

Not so bold prediction: There will never be any concrete evidence--dialog, props, whatever--that explicitly places the series in a specific timeline.

Well it's sure not the Kelvin timeline if the planet Vulcan still exists.

 

[NOVE9]

Fuller stated that it was set in the prime timeline and while i can't find it, one of the producers recently said the same thing.
http://www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/761665-new-star-trek-discovery-details-reveal-timeline-names-more

 

[LK3185]

It could be in the blue timeline for all I care...I'm not some hardcore timeline geek. To be fair, i'm working thru all the shows not but still, just give me a Star trek show. It was never going to look like TOS or have the Klingons look like they were regular people like in TOS... So unless you wanted it to be exactly that, i don't understand the complaint. Were they supposed to reinvent the wheel and not look anything like JJ's trek? That's potentially more harmful to the TV show than this.... Its a new generation of fans they're trying to draw.. if this looks somewhat like JJ's trek then it stands to reason people who are younger will be familiar with it and thus give it more of a chance.

Just enjoy the ride and forget the timeline.

 

[fireproof78]

Well it's sure not the Kelvin timeline if the planet Vulcan still exists.

Technically Vulcan isn't destroyed until Kirk is in his twenties.