How do you think we will feel if "Discovery" is just a decent show but nothing special?

There's a catch to that, though. Too much is overkill, but without ANY of that, it's just any old (hopefully still well written) series about human relationships that happens to be filmed on a Star Trek themed set. Some of those tropes are a PART of Star Trek, so I actually do hope to see them - but it'll be nice if the writers find new takes on them. And maybe not being beholden to network television guidelines will help with that. THAT is what I'm hoping for out of the show being on a streaming service - not getting to see alien junk or excessive gore.

 

I guess I'm only *expecting* average but nothing special, so I'd feel like my expectations have been met. Of course, I'm hoping for more!

 

I'm expecting Voyager but hoping for DS9.

Ymmv.

I watched and purchased both anyway...

 

Agreed.

And "the Golden Age of TV" the OP refers to ended in 2000. TV since has been shit.

 

Well I enjoy the hell out of Stargate SG-1, so that would be ok. My gut feeling is that Discovery is going to be more Stargate Universe, which was just a bunch of bickering and bleakness for no reason, over SG-1 which was fun and didn't take itself too seriously.

 

What tropes haven't been worn out in the 700+ hours of Trek we already have?

 

Nope.

There have been good shows and shit shows made since the beginning of TV.

 

Why didn't you tell me the shows I have been enjoying were garbage?

 

The rule of thumb seems to be: "If I enjoy watching it, it must be part of the Golden Age of TV. If I'm not watching it then it's garbage." Well, there are quality stuff that I don't watch and there are some admittedly garbage that are guilty pleasures of mine.

 

I think the Golden Age label comes from the fact that even though we had good shows in the past the number of good to great shows have increased and because lot of this stuff isn't on the networks you have shows that aren't held back because of network influence or censorship. Plus we have more shows that seem to explore something other than being the next cop,doctor or lawyer show.

Jason

 

We should start a club.

 

Gotta disagree. I honestly can't keep up with all the good stuff to watch on TV these days.

Heck, tonight alone we have new episodes of THE FLASH, iZOMBIE, AGENTS OF SHIELD, and THE AMERICANS.

 

Westworld has raised the bar for serious, ambitious science fiction on television so high that Star Trek hasn't a chance of competing in that realm. It better just be really entertaining and stylish.

 

And I hope it isn't even close to Westworld, which at times was very boring and pretentious. Westworld is no Game of Thrones. Hell, that silly Humans series had a better AI-gaining-sentience story line despite the horrible acting.

Everything I've heard about this series so far (which I've read in this forum by the way) makes me tend to think this will be a good series. The way they've described how they're doing the seasonal arcs, with the episodes akin to chapters in a novel, and the season a novel, intrigues me.

 

No, it's vastly more intelligent than GoT or, really, anything else on TV that gets labeled at.

I enjoyed Westworld so much because, at base, I really do enjoy science fiction. - and there's really not much worthy of the label out there in visual media. Trek and other sniffy space shows sure don't qualify.

 

Given that most tv shows are kinda garbage, even an average Star Trek show would hold my attention for 10 hours a year.

 

I enjoy both Supergirl and The Flash immensely (though I've missed both because of travel recently), but the Star Trek writers could type in their sleep and come up with more plausible, sensible plotting than either of those shows.

 

Remember seeing the way they would fight on Trek? The palm heel to the face. Or first, elbow a person in the stomach, then join your fists and whack them across the face. Or how about the join your fists and sweep upward under their chin? Lol.

At first it looks so dangerous, but they did it so many times it just became silly when you analyzed it.

Here are some other tropes and clichés that I think may have had a hand in wearing Trek down over time.

-The sexy but tough, ass kicking woman in a skin tight outfit, who is also very intelligent. (she always knows some type of martial arts)
-Wonder children or new comer that instantly becomes part of the command crew.
-I'm searching for my humanity or ID- Data, Seven, The Dr., Odo
-time travel the future, the past, all of it.
-I'm inside my own mind having complex adventures and it's like a 3D environment.
-romance of the week, forgotten one week later
-Aliens with a piece of rubber for foreheads
--Someone from the crew ascends or evolves groovy super powers. Wesley, Kes, Sisko,
-My consciousness is traveling outside my body across space etc.

 

TNG was special because it was about the only thing on TV at the time. It will be much harder for STD to stand out. If it's decent Trek I'll be relieved, and happy.

 

I'll go in wanting to like it, and damn it, I will find likeable things in it no matter what. However, if it turns out to be awesome, that'll be a bonus I'll gladly take.