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What caught me off guard is that the town itself seems to be growing as needed to fit plot points.. I figured "Southside" was just that part of town that was on the "other side of the tracks"... But now Riverdale is big enough for two high schools? That would put the population around 40-50,000, at minimum.. But it's never seemed that big.. I don't remember if there's another high school in the comics or not..

I did find one reference to a Southside High here, but apparently Riverdale High's main athletic/academic rival in the comics is Central High from a neighboring community. Central's entire student body tends to be villainous, apparently, so maybe that's an influence on the show's Southside High. As for the size of Riverdale, in the comics, it also has a suburban private school named Pembrooke Academy, which is where Cheryl and Jason Blossom go to school.


The town itself is a pretty setting.. I need to look up where it's actually filmed..

It's shot in various locations in Vancouver and the neighboring communities:

http://www.atlasofwonders.com/2017/01/riverdale-filming-locations.html
 
Those photos are great.. How funny is it that Archie and Betty's homes, next door to each other in the show, are in completely different towns in real life? LOL
 
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Those photos are great.. How funny is it that Archie and Betty's homes, across the street from each other in the show, are in completely different towns in real life? LOL

They're not across the street. They're next door to each other; Betty can look in Archie's bedroom window and vice versa, as we've seen several times.
 
In the comics, their rival school was Central High, but I can't recollect what town/city it was in. I think though, it was in a separate town and not merely a rival school.
 
In the comics, their rival school was Central High, but I can't recollect what town/city it was in. I think though, it was in a separate town and not merely a rival school.

Yeah, that's the impression I got from the Archie Wiki. As I said, I suspect the show's Southside High may be an amalgam of aspects of Southside and Central in the comics.
 
As Betty said, her brother would be in his mid-20s by now. I assume Joaquin is a teenager, otherwise his relationship with Kevin would be statutory rape, the same as "Ms. Grundy's" with Archie.

Betty repeated what Alice said, and Alice was at the very least a little evasive when commenting on how old the brother would be.

The description later in the cafeteria about the brother being a tall blonde hunk makes me think he won't be and a non blonde character will be dismissed as, and then revealed as, the brother.

Perhaps Christian Cooke who played Madchen Amick's nephew in Witches of East End, if not Rob Raco
 
Betty repeated what Alice said, and Alice was at the very least a little evasive when commenting on how old the brother would be.

But she said he was born a few months after they got married. Surely Betty would know when her parents got married, e.g. how long ago they celebrated their 20th anniversary. So Alice couldn't lie to her about something like that. He'd certainly have to be older than Polly.

Besides, if Alice weren't willing to come clean with Betty about this, she wouldn't have told her about the brother at all. The whole point of the scene was that she was being honest now, despite how painful it was.

Anyway, the idea that it could be Joaquin is pretty random. Not only is he the wrong age and ethnicity, not only does he have nothing to do with the Coopers' storylines anyway, but his part in the story is already over. He was part of the mystery of Jason's murder and FP's possible role in it, and that arc is ended now. Surely the second season will introduce new arcs and new characters. If there is any mystery about Betty's long-lost brother, it will tie into the second season's new arcs.
 
Well, to start with he has absolutely stunning eyes, and he and Kevin made a lovely couple. The first really positive gay male relationship in a teen drama that I have seen. He might not be tied to the Coopers, but he is tied to the Serpents, who are still part of the show through the Jughead storyline at the moment.

The scene between FP and Alice after the party when he commented on her relative attractiveness then and now, and her being a former South Side resident, suggested a prior familiarity outside of just being at school together, and if Hal and Alice married before the baby was born then there would have been little reason for Hal to ask for an abortion or adoption, given his desire for Polly to have similar was down to Jason and not her age. Unless he suspected the baby wasn't his - and there is a passing resemblance between Raco and Ulrich, and the FP/Joaquin dynamic did seem a little paternal rather than just dynamic Boy Wonder to FP''s Batman.
 
Anyway, the idea that it could be Joaquin is pretty random. Not only is he the wrong age and ethnicity, not only does he have nothing to do with the Coopers' storylines anyway, but his part in the story is already over. He was part of the mystery of Jason's murder and FP's possible role in it, and that arc is ended now.

It's not really that random. The show simply lacks characters who are in their twenties, hence Joaquin becomes the most likely suspect for Betty and Polly's lost brother by default as he's plausibly in the right age zone. I say "plausibly" because we have no idea how old Joaquin is. There's no indication that he's a high school student... but conversely, there's no indication that he's not. The show's been silent on his age, and his relationship with Kevin isn't evidence either way.
 
Well, to start with he has absolutely stunning eyes, and he and Kevin made a lovely couple. The first really positive gay male relationship in a teen drama that I have seen. He might not be tied to the Coopers, but he is tied to the Serpents, who are still part of the show through the Jughead storyline at the moment.

Um, okay, those are reasons for wanting the character back, but why should they be reasons for wanting him to be Betty's long-lost brother?

The scene between FP and Alice after the party when he commented on her relative attractiveness then and now, and her being a former South Side resident, suggested a prior familiarity outside of just being at school together, and if Hal and Alice married before the baby was born then there would have been little reason for Hal to ask for an abortion or adoption, given his desire for Polly to have similar was down to Jason and not her age. Unless he suspected the baby wasn't his - and there is a passing resemblance between Raco and Ulrich, and the FP/Joaquin dynamic did seem a little paternal rather than just dynamic Boy Wonder to FP''s Batman.

Okay, I guess that answers my question, but it's still reaching. I think it's massively misunderstanding the scene to think that Alice was hiding so much from Betty. The whole point of the scene was that she decided to stop keeping this massive secret and finally confide in her daughter about it. If the child had been illegitimate, that wouldn't have been any greater a source of shame to Alice than the fact that she gave him up for adoption in the first place. If she confessed the adoption, there's no reason she wouldn't have confessed the illegitimacy too.


It's not really that random. The show simply lacks characters who are in their twenties, hence Joaquin becomes the most likely suspect for Betty and Polly's lost brother by default as he's plausibly in the right age zone.

But new seasons usually bring in new characters and story arcs. We already know they're bringing in Hiram Lodge next year, for instance, and Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa has teased about the possibility of bringing in Sabrina, the Teenage Witch. He also mentioned that Jughead finds a mentor at Southside High, so I take that to mean that will be a new recurring character too. So the lack of twenty-something characters in the first season has no bearing at all on the availability of suitable characters in the second.


I say "plausibly" because we have no idea how old Joaquin is. There's no indication that he's a high school student... but conversely, there's no indication that he's not. The show's been silent on his age, and his relationship with Kevin isn't evidence either way.

As I said, given the heat the producers deservedly got over the "Ms. Grundy" thing, there's no way they'd do another statutory-rape relationship between a teenager and an adult. Especially since it's a gay relationship that they were trying to present in a positive light -- they wouldn't want to taint it with illegality. So there's no way in hell that Joaquin is meant to be in his 20s. Besides, Joaquin wouldn't have been a credible infiltrator of this group of teenagers if he were an adult. Sure, to our eyes, they all look 20-something, but in-universe, the main characters are supposed to be 16, and it's generally pretty easy to tell a 16-year-old apart from a 22-year-old, say.

The Riverdale Wiki says Joaquin is the youngest Serpent, and that he appears the same age as the main characters. I'd imagine that gangs like that generally recruit people in their teens.
 
What is the age range of the main characters anyway?

Jason and Cheryl were twins - but we know that Cheryl is in the same year as the rest of the Inner Circle. But there must be at least nine months between Polly and Betty - so are they in the same year, just at opposite ends of the year. One in September, one in June? Otherwise, that's another relationship with an age gap too.
 
But new seasons usually bring in new characters and story arcs. We already know they're bringing in Hiram Lodge next year, for instance, and Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa has teased about the possibility of bringing in Sabrina, the Teenage Witch. He also mentioned that Jughead finds a mentor at Southside High, so I take that to mean that will be a new recurring character too. So the lack of twenty-something characters in the first season has no bearing at all on the availability of suitable characters in the second.

I think we're talking past one another. I don't disagree with you. It's overwhelmingly likely that we, the audience, have not met Betty and Polly's brother yet. I was merely pointing out why some people last night jumped to the immediate conclusion that Joaquin is the missing Cooper brother as there haven't been any twentysomethings (other than, presumably, Ms. Grundy, and she's clearly not the Cooper brother) in the series to this point. They were looking at the episode not as the prologue to the second season but as the conclusion to the first.
 
What is the age range of the main characters anyway?

Jason and Cheryl were twins - but we know that Cheryl is in the same year as the rest of the Inner Circle. But there must be at least nine months between Polly and Betty - so are they in the same year, just at opposite ends of the year. One in September, one in June? Otherwise, that's another relationship with an age gap too.

The Core Four are sixteen-ish. They're all sophomores. Kevin and Cheryl should be the same age. Polly would be a year or two older than Betty, maybe?
 
On reflection, I'm not sure I like the idea of this cliffhanger. Although Archie's ordinariness compared to the others' twisted family soap operas did make him a bit bland in comparison, I kind of liked the idea of him being this center of normality who served as an anchor for everyone else. I mean, sure, his parents are divorced and he got sexually exploited by an older woman impersonating his music teacher, but even that's a pretty mild level of angst and drama compared to the Cooper, Lodge, Jones, and Blossom families.

But I guess that ties into the theme of the finale, and indeed of the whole season -- the death of innocence, the transformation of Riverdale into a less ordinary, more complex world than it was before. Hopefully not literal death in this case, though.
 
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