Why didn't Guinan have a memorial service?

[PicardSpeedo]

In Nemesis, we saw Picard make the audacious decision to ram the Scimitar with the Enterprise-E, causing a colossal amount of damage to both vessels, and effectively destroying the entire bow of the Enterprise's saucer, including Ten Forward. We know Guinan was attached to the crew at this time, so it's kinda messed up that Picard and company were sobbing their eyes out over Data getting wrecked outside of his warranty period, yet no one shed a tear about Guinan getting mangled in the Scimitar collision and then most probably blown out into space, where she likely exploded.

Why didn't Guinan get the send-off she deserved?

 

[Kirk Prime]

Probably because she didn't die.

 

[cardinal biggles]

Do we know that Guinan was the bartender on the Enterprise-E? I thought she was just there for Will and Deanna's wedding.

 

[Paradise City]

Or maybe they just didn't like Guinan afterall.

 

[Timo]

The writing actually contains the necessary bit of exposition - it's just that it may not be explicit enough for the audience...

Namely, the bow was already empty when the ramming took place.

Data: "We are losing structural integrity on Decks 12 through 17, Sections 4 through 10."
LaForge: "Emergency forcefields are holding."
Riker: "Evacuate those decks and reroute field power to forward shields."

If Picard's new ship did have a bow bar, it would be on Deck 12 or thereabouts, and thus evacuated. Although there's no indication the Enterprise-E had such a bar. I mean, yes, there are plenty of bow windows, including a set more brightly lit than its neighbors, but no plot indication of the presence of a bar and certainly no plot indication of it being at the bow.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Probably because she didn't die.

Gotta go with this.

 

[USS KG5]

Namely, the bow was already empty when the ramming took place.

Well also, there is a practical element to it, no doubt the outer sections of the ship are basically empty in combat anyhow as crew concentrate around heavily protected battle stations inside the ship.

Sure the bridge is totally vulnerable on top, but special protection for one command centre is easy enough, most of the other important bits (weapons controls, computer cores, reactors etc) must be protected by a few decks of empty cabins, conference rooms and labs.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

Guinan was a guest at the wedding, which I don't even think was on the E-E. There is nothing to say that she, or any other civilian, lived onboard the Sovereign-Class ship.

 

[Kirk Prime]

Canon is an interesting thing--if we don't see it, it didn't officially happen. At no point did we see Guinan die. We can't even confirm she was on the ship. All we know was that she was a guest at a wedding. For me, it's a non issue. She didn't die.

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

If this is a joke thread: LOL.
If this is serious: She didn't die. We don't even know if she was on board.

 

[Paradise City]

Maybe she can breathe in space and she just "swam" back into the hull.

 

[Dukhat]

In Nemesis, we saw Picard make the audacious decision to ram the Scimitar with the Enterprise-E, causing a colossal amount of damage to both vessels, and effectively destroying the entire bow of the Enterprise's saucer, including Ten Forward. We know Guinan was attached to the crew at this time, so it's kinda messed up that Picard and company were sobbing their eyes out over Data getting wrecked outside of his warranty period, yet no one shed a tear about Guinan getting mangled in the Scimitar collision and then most probably blown out into space, where she likely exploded.

Why didn't Guinan get the send-off she deserved?

What makes you think that Guinan was even on the Ent-E at all? Or are you just posting whatever random thought pops into your head at the moment?

 

[Timo]

...It is somewhat interesting to speculate on whether the E-E had civilians aboard. The most battle-heavy TNG episodes showed none aboard the E-D, either, even though we know they must have been there. No doubt civilians are generally shooed into bunkers of some sort in such situations, or at least confined to quarters.

Of course, these two options are somewhat at odds - quarters might be at the outer rim, with portholes, while bunkers wouldn't be, and it'd be a chore to move the folks from one to the other, or even to choose the correct moment of moving. It's not an issue in ST:NEM, with its long lead time to battle, nor in "Encounter at Farpoint" or ST:GEN where we actually see such shooing, but there are times where it's difficult to accept that the ship (choose your suffix letter) would have civilians aboard at all.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

Had Guinan been onboard in her previous role, there is nothing to say that the Sovereign-Class has a large lounge at the front of the ship, maybe it has one facing aft, or a large TMP-style rec room facility in the middle of the ship using holo-emitters to give the crew a 360 view of the space they're in. If we assume that the ship did have a lounge at the front that Guinan was in charge of, they were at red alert in that time, which would see any civilians sheltering in their quarters of sections of the ships interior that would be the safest place onboard to preserve their lives.

 

[Timo]

...Yellow Alert wasn't enough yet to make Guinan evacuate herself from 10 Forward in "Q Who?", but the place did appear deserted otherwise. Makes sense that alerts would involve things like "stay away from the windows".

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

^ Was that not more of her sensing something weird and needing a window to look out contemplatively, so her staying there was needed for the drama!

 

[Khan 2.0]

Some amusing speculation on Guinans fate in Nemesis https://moviechat.org/tt0253754/Sta...214d80b5ceae2d7/Did-Guinan-Die-In-Ten-Forward

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

...Yellow Alert wasn't enough yet to make Guinan evacuate herself from 10 Forward in "Q Who?", but the place did appear deserted otherwise. Makes sense that alerts would involve things like "stay away from the windows".

Timo Saloniemi

I imagined the 23rd century red alert voice, "RED ALERT, RED ALERT. THIS IS A RED ALERT. PLEASE STAY AWAY FROM THE WINDOWS."

 

[USS Triumphant]

I don't think there is a "Ten Forward" on the Enterprise-E. That was the name of the crew lounge specifically on the Enterprise-D - even other Galaxy-class starships call their lounge something else, so the Ent-E almost certainly does. The novels have the lounge on the -E as the "Happy Bottom Riding Club", and it is run by a guy named Jordan - there is a picture of Guinan on the wall, though.

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

Anyone else here not a fan of that name at all?