Voyager fans.. are you disappointed about Discovery?

[BillJ]

You know I like your loyalty.. it is nice to see. That is what makes things succeed..

Not about loyalty, it's about facts. TOS broke out in syndication in a way rarely seen in American TV history. That success is why we're still talking about "Star Trek" in all its various flavors, fifty years after the original premiered.

Just to add though.. post Voyager would have worked too..

Discovery may or may not "work", we simply don't know. More 24th century isn't my first choice for Star Trek, but I'd still be paying for All-Access to watch it.

 

[Refuge]

None of this is really about facts.. it's about reaction.

 

[somebuddyX]

I'm happy they're doing another show around the TOS area but personally I would have preferred if they'd jumped at least 30 to 100 years after Nemesis. I don't need to see any more of the 24th century.

 

[Trekkin]

None of this is really about facts.. it's about reaction.

Those are not mutually exclusive things.

TOS had loyal fans: fact.
It picked up more after cancellation: fact
It was revived due to popularity: fact.
The other series had loyal fans: fact.
None of the others series have had a revival: fact.

 

[BillJ]

None of this is really about facts.. it's about reaction.

Well, the reaction is the reaction we always get: some folks screaming and threatening to hold their breath until they pass out unless they get what they want. It happened with TMP. It happened with TNG. It happened with the Abrams films. Some will come around, others won't.

More things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[Trekkin]

I'm kinda surprised there's not more internet-fan demand for the Romulan War. After ENT ended, that was (supposably) what people were (literally) begging for.

We're a fickle bunch.

 

[BillJ]

im kinda surprised there's not more internet fan demand for the Romulan War. After ENT ended, that was (supposably) what people were crying for.

We're a fickle bunch.

I really don't look for drawn out political or war stories in Trek. Likely why I find that DS9 has the poorest rewatch value of all the various series.

 

[SaturnVuk]

To be honest (and I hope no one on here takes offence at this ! ! !) as long as its professionally done, and followed through properly (unlike previous series) I really don't mind.
Maybe its just me but on thing I just cant stick is the "fan" based shows and films seen on you tube, yes I have tried them, but OMG they really don't do it for me. All of them remind me of very cheap porno films ! ! ! !
(Sorry ! ! ! ! !)

 

[Trekkin]

I really don't look for drawn out political or war stories in Trek. Likely why I find that DS9 has the poorest rewatch value of all the various series.

Oh, I'm not demanding it.

They could set it during Khan's rule of the 1990's, for all I care. Trek's setting has never been my sticking point. I've got to get invested in at least one character, and then I'm set.

...yes I have tried them, but OMG they really don't do it for me. All of them remind me of very cheap porno films ! ! ! !

Which ones?!

I mean, purely for academic purposes. Of course.

 

[SaturnVuk]

Oh, I'm not demanding it.

They could set it during Khan's rule of the 1990's, for all I care. Trek's setting has never been my sticking point. I've got to get invested in at least one character, and then I'm set.



Which ones?!

I mean, purely for academic purposes. Of course.

LOL Yea you made me laugh ! ! !

Maybe start with this pile of.......

LOL

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[F. King Daniel]

I'm kinda surprised there's not more internet-fan demand for the Romulan War. After ENT ended, that was (supposably) what people were (literally) begging for.

We're a fickle bunch.

Well, we nearly got that as the eleventh movie, featuring Kirk and Spock's grandfathers and reimagining the Earth/Romulan war as a week-long battle in Earth orbit between Romulan drone ships and Earth fighter pilots.

 

[Nightdiamond]

TNG: Huge success.
DS9, VOY, ENT: Downward ratings spiral. That's your familiarity breeding contempt.

The three biggest money Trek movies of all are Into Darkness, The Motion Picture and Star Trek - all set in the same era as Discovery.

But right now even the Nu Trek movies are in a bit of a spiral. It remains to be seen, but if the 4th movie isn't a hit, then it is pretty much confirmed there is another problem with the franchise again.

Enterprise was of that era, but its ratings were lower than all of them.

TNG had it's downward spiral with its movies. It was one of the most popular Treks, and yet fans did reject the last two completely. Even the last episode of Enterprise tried to use TNG and it didn't work.

Something is obviously missing with Trek in general.

 

[Trekkin]

Well, we nearly got that as the eleventh movie, featuring Kirk and Spock's grandfathers and reimagining the Earth/Romulan war as a week-long battle in Earth orbit between Romulan drone ships and Earth fighter pilots.

...whurt.

 

[fireproof78]

But right now even the Nu Trek movies are in a bit of a spiral. It remains to be seen, but if the 4th movie isn't a hit, then it is pretty much confirmed there is another problem with the franchise again.

Enterprise was of that era, but its ratings were lower than all of them.

TNG had it's downward spiral with its movies. It was one of the most popular Treks, and yet fans did reject the last two completely. Even the last episode of Enterprise tried to use TNG and it didn't work.

Something is obviously missing with Trek in general.

From my observations, what's missing is a willingness to adapt. Alright, before I get the Borg accusations just here me out. ST 09, the first Abrams' film, was a huge hit, both financially and critically, becaue it took some chances with the formula. Spock and Kirk were not the best of friends, Vulcan was destroyed and things changed. As @BillJ stated, there are many who enjoyed the change and others who would not accept it. But, it broadened Trek's appeal.

This is why I think pre-TOS has the potential to work-it's an era that is unexplored and is not held by continuing events from the prior series. Now, this is also true of also of a post-VOY series, but I think there is a lack of confidence in that era due to VOY and NEM failing.

The era is not as important as what the characters and story are. Thus far the indications by the production team is that they are moving towards a new way of telling stories and characters, rather than relying upon tropes of the past.

That, of course, remains to be seen.

tl:dr-Don't panic yet. Panic later.

 

[Tracy Trek]

TOS was a huge hit in syndication right off the bat, as soon as it hit. That was what lent to its longevity. It is what led to the animated series (1973), the movies series (1979) and, eventually, TNG (along with feature film success).

And also loads of TOS era novels. Which when it comes to Trek novels, are my favorite.

 

[Refuge]

But right now even the Nu Trek movies are in a bit of a spiral. It remains to be seen, but if the 4th movie isn't a hit, then it is pretty much confirmed there is another problem with the franchise again.

I think the spiral as you put it proves that people are over that era. That is the problem with the franchise.

 

[Refuge]

From my observations, what's missing is a willingness to adapt. Alright, before I get the Borg accusations just here me out. ST 09, the first Abrams' film, was a huge hit, both financially and critically, becaue it took some chances with the formula. Spock and Kirk were not the best of friends, Vulcan was destroyed and things changed. As @BillJ stated, there are many who enjoyed the change and others who would not accept it. But, it broadened Trek's appeal.

This is why I think pre-TOS has the potential to work-it's an era that is unexplored and is not held by continuing events from the prior series. Now, this is also true of also of a post-VOY series, but I think there is a lack of confidence in that era due to VOY and NEM failing.

The era is not as important as what the characters and story are. Thus far the indications by the production team is that they are moving towards a new way of telling stories and characters, rather than relying upon tropes of the past.

That, of course, remains to be seen.

tl:dr-Don't panic yet. Panic later.

Er.. Voyager did not fail.

 

[fireproof78]

Er.. Voyager did not fail.

There is disagreement on that

VOY and DS9 lost viewers at a similar rate, and there is concern that VOY's more formulaic approach was too safe that it would not draw in outside viewers. Attempts to do so were meager, at best.

That's not to say that VOY itself was a failure, but that "guilt by association" would lead to more hesitance, especially with the box office success of ST 09.

 

[Refuge]

TOS failed by those yardsticks too. They all get canned in the end don't they?

 

[fireproof78]

TOS failed by those yardsticks too. They all get canned in the end don't they?

TOS broaches more familiarity and comfort, so if you're going to chose among all that of those shows, you go with the one that has the most recognition. Again, Abrams Trek, like it, hate it, or what-have-you.

TOS was also a bit more unique for the time, while TNG era became a bit more of the same, and that can be said of all the shows, not just VOY. TV audiences changed, but Trek really didn't.