What expectations did you have for Moffat's tenure?

[kirk55555]

Its fine if people like it. Torchwood isn't for me. My "horny 14 year old boy" comment was about how sex is handled on the show, which is everyone wanting to screw everyone else to the point it seems, like I said, to have been written by a horny teenage boy. So, a teenage maturity level of sex stuff, combined with every cast member not named Jack harkness being either terribly annoying, stupid or horrible makes Torchwood just about the last show I'd watch. i'd watch Class before I watched a second more of Torchwood, and a YA school drama is one of the worst types of shows in my opinion.

Besides all that, I find the premise of season 3 specifically to be stupid, offensive and a black mark on the entire Doctor who franchise. It doesn't help that the Doctor could have had the whole thing solved in probably one 45 minute episode, but magically completely avoids the Earth for the entire run of events, plus somehow never knew about any of the events leading up to it

So a show I hate, filled with (in my opinion) some of the worst recurring characters in Doctor Who, taking part in what, to me, is one of the worst ideas for a story to ever be made in an official Doctor Who related production is not very appealing for me. I'd honestly take the immature garbage Series 1/2 Torchwood over Series 3. That's just me, though. I don't like Torchwood, never have, and watching Series 3 is not something I would do even if I was getting paid to do it.

 

[Australis]

I've never understood this at all? The Doctor was always the focus on the show even when exploring other storylines for the companions .

Not really, well at least to me After "ZOMG, Donna is Teh Mos Important Companion EVAR!!1!" thing, it became "ZOMG, Amy is Teh Mos Important Companion EVAR!!1!" and then, more than the others, "ZOMG, Clara is Teh Mos Important Companion EVAR!!1!". These companions had special powers that made them, at some points, more important than the Doctor. I get that's it's a device to draw viewers in, that ordinary people can do extraordinary things, but it took it a bit too far. IMO.

 

[Csalem]

One thing I noticed the other day is that in the Moffat era the Tardis seems to be under greater control by the Doctor. We don't get many stories were the Tardis has taken them to an unknown place. This is not solely a Moffat thing as in the RTD era the Doctor did have some control over the Tardis but he seems to have more control now.

 

[marillion]

Which seems to fly against the idea brought up in "The Doctor's Wife" in which she states she always took him where he NEEDED to go, just not always where he WANTED... But yes.. He definitely has more control over where he lands now..

What I wanted from the Moffat era was good story telling and fun... And for the most part, we got that.. But what I didn't anticipate was Doctor Who becoming the global phenomenon that is has become.. Yes, the roots were planted in the RTD era, but Moffat and the Beeb really knew how to market it and capitalize.. I loved seeing something I was made fun of for liking in high school suddenly become cool to be a fan of.

 

[Gov Kodos]

Not really, well at least to me After "ZOMG, Donna is Teh Mos Important Companion EVAR!!1!" thing, it became "ZOMG, Amy is Teh Mos Important Companion EVAR!!1!" and then, more than the others, "ZOMG, Clara is Teh Mos Important Companion EVAR!!1!". These companions had special powers that made them, at some points, more important than the Doctor. I get that's it's a device to draw viewers in, that ordinary people can do extraordinary things, but it took it a bit too far. IMO.

Yeah, that, especially for River, where a character was introduced and slowly became more intolerably precious with every appearance. Moffat and his love of 'puzzle women' was annoying as was trying to make every series some kind of Escher puzzle of time travel craziness. I could forgive a lot of that had they'd more character pieces like the Vincent van Gogh episode, but the series just became too much of a slog waiting for the one off like that.

 

[Australis]

True.

 

[TommyR01D]

Yeah, that, especially for River, where a character was introduced and slowly became more intolerably precious with every appearance. Moffat and his love of 'puzzle women' was annoying as was trying to make every series some kind of Escher puzzle of time travel craziness. I could forgive a lot of that had they'd more character pieces like the Vincent van Gogh episode, but the series just became too much of a slog waiting for the one off like that.

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[Emperor-Tiberius]

I loved the time travel aspects of Moffat's stories. But he never carried himself through with the whole story - he never thought like a storyteller, but rather as a writer of a piece, waiting for someone else to conclude it. Nobody was going to, obviously, so his time-travel antics concluded embarassingly (like the whole Eleven-dies arc of series 6 did, with the awful robot vessel thing).

 

[Starkers]

Moffat has left a lot of things hanging, but the use of the Teselecta made perfect narrative sense. He seeded potential get outs throughout the 6th season and then used one of them, it wasn't a solution pulled out of thin air like many other of his (the hybrid) or RTD

 

[Steve Roby]

The use of the Tesselecta might make sense if the Tesselecta itself made sense. I don't think it did. Who would think that was the best way to do whatever it was they were trying to do? Who would design it to work the way it did?

 

[Starkers]

Future people?

Seriously who knows, there are plenty of things that aren't the best way of doing things, are Daleks really the best design, cumbersome, lack mobility and the ability to manipulate things (and once upon a time unable to even climb stairs), aren't Cyberman a much better design? In fact wouldn't some kind of spider be a better design than both of them?

And maybe it is the best way of doing things? What do you want to do, send a giant spaceship full of people back in time, or a single body that can blend in yet still has a full crew?

 

[Mr Awe]

I didn't like the Tesselecta because Time Lord technology used to be special and fairly unique. Now we know that some other race has technology that can travel in time, take on disguises (even better than functioning TARDISes), and patrol time for infractions. They sound a lot like Time Lords! Yet, we never heard of them before.

 

[Professor Zoom]

I didn't like the Tesselecta because Time Lord technology used to be special and fairly unique. Now we know that some other race has technology that can travel in time, take on disguises (even better than functioning TARDISes), and patrol time for infractions. They sound a lot like Time Lords! Yet, we never heard of them before.

My beef with it: how does a murder of a robot some how have the same fixed time quality as the murder of a time lord? How do you burn a robot and not know it? Did all of those people inside get burned alive?

It was a silly out.

 

[Mr Awe]

^ That too!

 

[The Wormhole]

Now we know that some other race has technology that can travel in time, take on disguises (even better than functioning TARDISes), and patrol time for infractions. They sound a lot like Time Lords! Yet, we never heard of them before.

Even before the Tessalecta, we knew there were other time travellers. There were the Time Agents, who've been around since the Tom Baker era.

 

[Mr Awe]

True, but they weren't really in our face. The Tesselecta is clearly on the level of the Time Lords. Maybe even better if their equivalent of a TARDIS can copy a person!

 

[Professor Zoom]

True, but they weren't really in our face. The Tesselecta is clearly on the level of the Time Lords. Maybe even better if their equivalent of a TARDIS can copy a person!

Better than a TARDIS. It can copy a person and walk around.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Better than a TARDIS. It can copy a person and walk around.

In the eighth Doctor novels, the Time Lords had humanoid TARDISes, and there was a period where the Doctor travelled in one. (His TARDIS was seemingly destroyed, and his companion Compassion had been evolved by the TARDIS into a humanoid TARDIS.) That was a very interesting -- but also very strange -- period in the novels. I, personally, was a fan. Many people weren't.

 

[captainkirk]

Didn't the Master have a humanoid TARDIS in the Keeper of Traken?

 

[Professor Zoom]

Didn't the Master have a humanoid TARDIS in the Keeper of Traken?

It was basically a statue.