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My favorite thing about Voyager is...

Sophie74656

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It seems like we've had a lot of critical and negative threads lately so I thought it would be nice to have a fun positive thread.

What are some of your favorite things about Voyager?

For me one of my favorite things was the humor. Voyager had some great episodes that were pretty funny. Tinker Tenor Doctor Spy, Bride of Chaotica, Spirit Folk...just to name a few.
 
No one responded so far. Why am I not surprised, considering the "official" attitude toward this show?

My favorite things? Voyager's crew, the holodeck programs - especially the Captain Proton stories, their conflicts with the Borg and Seska.
 
My favourite thing about Voyager is that it has an intelligent and capable female captain. Even in this day and age, positive female role models in leadership positions are scarce in popular media.

Too bad this series also implied that strong female leaders are not allowed to have hot sex with handsome spiritual men. :whistle:;)
 
I could give you a very long list, at least with one hundred items. But don't worry, this website makes my computer crash about 2 minutes after I've logged in so I won't be able to do that.

However, there was a similar question here a few months ago and then I wrote a list of ten items. I'm going to place it here again - mercifully I've found it - so if you've already read it just skip it but if you are interested in what I have to say (again), here it goes. Enjoy!


Here are the ten most important reasons why I love Voyager (in no particular order):

1. Captain Kathryn Janeway. Best Captain ever, can't imagine a better one. In fact, I can hardly imagine a better character - to me she was so good. I could always relate to her decisions, I also always agreed with them, I never saw that one decision contradicted her next one - in fact, I thought she was excellent when it came to decision-making. The only exception is ENDGAME but since she was so good in the previous 170 episodes, I forgave her for the last two. She is also a human being, she is allowed to make mistakes. All in all, she has become a role model for me. The qualities that have made her a role model in my eyes include the fact that she had humour, she had a big heart, she was the mother of the crew, she was a strong leader, she was never afraid to put up a good fight, she was a no nonsense person, she was an encyclopaedia of knowledge and basically I think that Voyager is Voyager because of Captain Kathryn Janeway. Although I love everyone else, if she hadn't been there OR if she had been written differently, Voyager would have been very different from what it ultimately became.

2. Thomas Eugene Paris. If Janeway is my role model, this guy is the love of my life. Seriously. He embodies all the qualities I look for in a man, I like his physical appearance too but this is not his main appeal for me. Although he is often sarcastic, he is a character with a big heart whose ironic remarks are often external signals of his internal struggles. The reason I love him of all men the most has mainly to do with the fact that we see him in all sorts of different situations - in the capacity of a friend, a lover, an ex-Maquis, a Starfleet officer, a husband, a father, a son, a pilot, a nurse, a holodeck programmer ... you name it - and all these qualities mesh into a very complex character who basically fulfils all of the abovementioned functions with perfection. He is a guy with a troubled past who has never for a second lied about it, who has always been trying to face up to it and not coming up with excuses for why he did what he did and basically he's always been trying to become better in any and all respects of his life. If he needed sarcasm to do that, then amen to it. I know that most people think that Seven's character development is the most spectacular on Voyager. I beg to disagree, I think Tom's is so outstandingly the most conspicuous one that you just can't not notice it.

3. Everyone else. Seriously, although there are some other shows I like - none as much as VOY - and generally I like most of the characters on those shows (Stargate or CSI series for example), I've never felt that I would feel all the characters so close to me. Do you remember how even Zahir in DARKLING was jealous of the closeness that existed among the crew? And he had every reason. These people just love each other in spite of the occasional conflicts that occur among them. And even more importantly, they have the courage to express this love. It flows so naturally among the crew members no matter if it's Mother Janeway, Clown Neelix, Perfection Seven or Holographic I'm-a-genius Doctor or anyone else. When two or more of these people are put together in whatever situation - from dangerous to humorous - that element of love is just there all the time. There's an ease between the characters that is mostly absent from other shows (or is there to a lot smaller extent) and this is always true no matter which two you pair up in a given situation. There are some pairs that we are so used to - J/C, To/B To/H D/K D/7 N/K Tu/N, etc - but when you think about it, these people love each other so much and behave so naturally in the others' presence that there is absolutely nothing unusual about selecting two who are normally not thought of as a typical pair and putting them in a situation - like To/N, C/H, B/S ... etc. All in all, a great crew.

4. Humour. Best humour I've ever seen in any series. I'm sorry but the so-called humour of sitcoms and any other shows that are "meant" to be humorous bores me. Whether it's Al Bundy or The Big Bang Theory, You Rang My Lord or Two And A Half Men, I get easily bored with this kind of humour and after two episodes I feel that I'd rather go back to the Delta Quadrant. Voyager's sense of humour is exquisite, basically because the show is not meant to be funny and humour only serves as a means to make it more interesting. Voyager's primary aim is not to make you laugh but it does all the time. No matter whether it's Janeway's intellectual, Tuvok's logical, the Doctor's narcissistic or Tommyboy's sarcastic humour, this show keeps cracking me up all the time. In fact, the more I'm watching it, the more I'm appreciating every aspect of it and this includes the subtleties of the humour that's there from the beginning to the end.

5. Best opening sequence. Need I say more? This isn't just the best Star Trek opening sequence, this is the best opening sequence of all time. Both musically and visually. Voyager is far superior in my book to any shows, including any other Star Trek shows and this is the one aspect where this superiority is the most conspicuous.

6. Uniforms. I am really glad they never changed over to the ugly uniforms in later seasons of Deep Space Nine. I much prefer these colourful ones, they emphasize the light-hearted nature of the show. In general, I am very happy that this was never turned into a dark show and I think the question of the uniforms was handled accordingly.

7. The premise. A ship lost in space - an excellent premise. Although a lot of people think the show never lived up to its premise, again, I beg to differ. It did in my book. To me, StarGate Universe was the series that never did it: all that dark tone on the ship, the cantankerous nature of basically the whole bunch with a hateful character as the lead ... just by talking about it, it brings back all the negative feelings I had when watching it. Voyager was great, it never took that dark direction. This was a pretty unique way of handling the premise and they did it very well: the Maquis saw there was absolutely no reason for not cooperating and focussed on getting home instead of fighting with Starfleet. This gave us an emotional closeness to the Maquis as well - if they had decided to remain hostile, the whole show would have felt a lot more alienating. You would constantly have been suspicious of everyone and everything and ultimately it would have stretched it for me. Voyager was in a difficult position anyway and very often enemies were already aboard - you didn't need to make the regular crew into a group that constantly fought with each other. The relatively little conflict we saw between the Maquis and Starfleet was enough to signal to the viewers that not everyone was happy. Also, this question could be approached from a different point of view as well: you didn't need to be Maquis to be unhappy like the three stray dogs in GOOD SHEPHERD.

8. Villains. I know that the Kazon are criticized all the time but I really liked them. They gave us the whole Seska - Michael Jonas arc, which was really interesting in earlier seasons. Also, their regular appearance gave a certain structure to the show that was unfortunately missing in the last two seasons.
Having said that, they were by far not my favourite villains - but they were all right in my book. I really love the Borg and frankly I could have done with three times as many borg episodes as what we got and would still not have felt that Janeway had somehow "neutered" them. To me, all the borg episodes are exciting ... not for a second do I feel when our main characters are inside a borg cube that I can let down my guard ... Plus Seven's whole background story was super interesting and in this way her personal story tied very well into the main borg storyline.
But of all enemies, the Hirogen were the most enjoyable one for me. I loved all their stories, I wish more had been done with them. The only villains I don't really like are the Mallon and I wish they had used season 5 for another Hirogen story arc, too. But basically I like them a lot and can't wait to see the day (which never seems to arrive) when finally a Voyager author decides to give us a good Hirogen-based novel, preferably a trilogy.

9. Episodes. I could go on and on about this ... Suffice it to say that with the exception of FURY (which I hate) I appreciate all the episodes. Out of the 172 eps at least 160 are my favourite, which only leaves me with a handful episodes that I like less or find quite boring (most notably THE HAUNTING OF DECK TWELVE - yawn). But on the whole, I find all the episodes super interesting whether they are Janeway's or Tom's holodeck adventures, big battles with the borg or the Krenim or whoever else, ethical dilemmas like TUVIX or LATENT IMAGE, hilariously funny like WORST CASE SCENARIO or BODY AND SOUL, thought-provoking like SACRED GROUND or CRITICAL CARE, showing unresolved past like TATTOO or LINEAGE, hallucinations like PERSISTENCE OF VISION or ONE, showing our characters in love like UNFORGETTABLE or FAIR HAVEN or even over-the-top ones like THRESHOLD or THE VOYAGER CONSPIRACY. Bottom line is that episodes show a great variety (my fav one being SCORPION) and no matter what kind of episodes they are, they are always good.

10. Last but not least: Voyager's contact with Starfleet (in later seasons) and the recurring characters from other Star Trek shows. There's not much to say about this, except that in this way their quest for getting home was given an extra dimension and this made room for even more emotional stories than up to that point.
 
1) Interesting alien species. A few that I particularly liked and wish we had seen more of:
Botha
Krayden & Vori
Vaadwaur
Vidiians
Species 116
Voth
Hirogen

2) Jeri Ryan and Roxann Dawson. Both are very good actresses.
 
I found the characters to be more like people I could relate to.

The characters felt like a family. They didn't always get along but they still cared for each other.

I felt the opening sequence was the best from all of the Trek shows.
 
Thank you Sophie for this thread. :techman:
Refuge Totally agree.:techman:
There are so many really great posts in this thread. I`ve to agree with many of you:)
- the humor
- the strong female captain Miss Lemon!! ;);)
- it makes me feel good watching it
- the characters felt like a family
- Chakotay:luvlove::luvlove:
 
Something else that's one of my favorite things....the eye candy :adore:
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-Tom Paris and B'Elanna
-Intrepid Class starship eye candy
-Kes
-I echo the comment on interesting alien species, including the Caretaker species, which I would have liked to see more off, or other protected worlds besides the Ocampa. Spieces 8472 is probably my favorite alien in Trek.
-Captain Proton
-Tuvok
-The Doctor
 
I never cared much for it when it was out. I watched it every week and was underwhelmed most of the time. There were stand outs here and there, but overall, I never had a reason to go back on it. Now its many years later and when I started reading the relaunch novels starting with Full Circle and suddenly I realized I missed the characters! I've been going back and rewatching it, and I'm just at the beginning of season 5. While there are still clunky and downright silly (and sometimes unwatchable) episodes, I am actually having a lot more fun with it. I think back when it first came out, I was really expecting so much from the show that I never took the time to get passed the superficial problems and just enjoy it for what it was: A family sitcom that happened to be on a starship in the Delta Quadrant.
 
  • Borg episodes
  • Borg Kids
  • Seven of Nine
  • Three strong female characters (Janeway, Torres, Seven of Nine)
  • Doctor, along with the idea of holographic people in general
  • Smaller ship, closer relationships
  • The theme of being lost in the DQ with no supervision/meddling from Starfleet Command
  • Later Neelix (after Kes left)
  • Naomi Wildman - especially her interactions with Seven of Nine and Neelix
  • Uniforms: practical, yet with sufficient color
  • Opening music
 
Voyagers separation from the Federation and the Alpha Quadrant.
Neelix and Kes. Two new life forms.
Captain Janeway.
Tuvok.
Tom and B'Ellana.
Species 8472 - Best New Alien award.
I match you Data and raise you.. The Doctor.
The Ship.
The Production. Has stood the test of time.
The humor.
The stories.
The re-watchability.
 
My favourite thing about Voyager is that it has an intelligent and capable female captain. Even in this day and age, positive female role models in leadership positions are scarce in popular media.

EXACTLY!!! :-D

Too bad this series also implied that strong female leaders are not allowed to have hot sex with handsome spiritual men. :whistle:;)

Alright, I see that the platonic relationship between Janeway and Chakotay, 2 attractive people who work in close proximity & and share a high opinion of each & trust in each other (until sharing dinners and intimate conversations) seems to be an insurmountable issue for some of you... . What a pity!

For my part, I appreciate the way Janeway's private life (even if I would have liked to know more about her family) and her command position were treated : with consideration and respect, especially the fact that she wasn't treated treated differently of all others captains met in the past and future in the case of Archer. She is a Starfleet captain ... and very secondarily, a woman.
 
No one responded so far. Why am I not surprised, considering the "official" attitude toward this show?

No posts in one thread, 20 minutes after OP, on a slower board, in the middle of a week day.

This never happens in any other boards. Must be a negative-minded conspiracy.

It seems like we've had a lot of critical and negative threads lately so I thought it would be nice to have a fun positive thread.

What are some of your favorite things about Voyager?

Seven and The Doctor.

And Barclay, strangely enough. Turns out that I'm not totally immune to fanservice. It helps all three had character development out the whazoo.
 
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Alright, I see that the platonic relationship between Janeway and Chakotay, 2 attractive people who work in close proximity & and share a high opinion of each & trust in each other (until sharing dinners and intimate conversations) seems to be an insurmountable issue for some of you... . What a pity!

I think it is a pity that you feel the need to derail this happy and light-hearted thread on all the things we love about VOY with your disrespectful dismissal of other people's opinions. You have already proven in the other thread about Janeway and Chakotay, and you prove it here yet again, that the one with an issue is you, not me nor anybody else.

It is also a pity that you don't seem to be able to recognize ironic humor, which in this case was actually inspired by your fanatic disapproval of a possible relationship between Chakotay and Janeway.

I`ve to agree with many of you:)
- the strong female captain Miss Lemon!! ;);)
...
...
- Chakotay:luvlove::luvlove:

We seem to agree with each other on more than one thing! ;):D
 
I think it is a pity that you feel the need to derail this happy and light-hearted thread on all the things we love about VOY with your disrespectful dismissal of other people's opinions. You have already proven in the other thread about Janeway and Chakotay, and you prove it here yet again, that the one with an issue is you, not me nor anybody else.

It is also a pity that you don't seem to be able to recognize ironic humor, which in this case was actually inspired by your fanatic disapproval of a possible relationship between Chakotay and Janeway.

WOW, my dear Miss Lemon, this is the first time, since I joined on this forum, that I'm accused to be disrespectful of other people's opinions. So, just for this reason, I intend to keep your message! :crazy:
In fact, in reading you, I remembered the famous Evelyn Beatrice Hall's quotation " I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it " from The Friends of Voltaire, (1906). Oh but it is true that free speech is a concept of variable geometry, according topics and/or people. Here, I'm ironic! :rolleyes:

So, if I understand the situation, when Kate Mulgrew, the actress behind the character of Janeway, explains again and again, in conventions she attends and/or in interviews she gave - and still give - about Voyager, that J/C was never supposed to be romanticcally involved and the reasons why she fought so hard so, this does not happen (didn't/doesn't understand why people still see J/C as a romantic pairing after s3, in the absence of signs letting believe it), people say nothing but when I expose the same point of view, in using almost exactly the same arguments and others,, I'm accused of being disrespectful dismissal of other people's opinions.. :shrug:
-> I'm not in Mulgrew's head but I understand her views and her logic about this topic. That's all.

In any case, let me tell you, Miss Lemon, that as much and as long J/C shippers will repeat - at every turn -, how these two would have made a wonderful couple, as much and as long I will kindly* and deliberately repeat, how I find this couple unsorted. It's just fair, isn't it?
Accept it or not (and besides, I don't force you to read my comments), I don't care. But, in no case, it is a " fanatic disapproval of a possible relationship between J/C", as you wrote but IF you really think so, you have to accept too, the idea that each time J/C is quoted (so very very often!), it is a "fanatic approval of a possible relationship between J/C"! :hugegrin:
-> for my part, I like J/P as a possible pairing.. Like J/C, it never happened - even if the idea was in the air - and it was ok for me. If I quoted my favorite but non-existent pairing as often as J/C was, it would be just fair that those who disagreed with me once, take all opportunities offered to be remembered! :lol: For sure, I won't take offense (like you did). It's my concept of free speech and free counter/denial, no matter how many times and the duration.

* As you perhaps know, I'm French and even if my English is understandable for all - so I hope, at least , I don't necessarily use the right terms. When I write "it's a pity" (c'est dommage, in french), it is NOT in a negative way but rather like, "it's a shame it rains" (c'est dommage qu'il pleuve, in french). I didn't want to use the term of "shame" because in my language, this word is associated to repugnance, infamy, disgust, etc... So, a very negative feeling, what wasn't the case in my comment. So please, think twice before blaming me, the next time! Thanks. :)
Plus, I must admit to be quite surprised that it was you who sent mean incendiary post and not the author of the comment which I responded. Given her/his lack of comment, it seems that what I have written, it didn't troubled more than that!

Sorry to have written such lengh but I found Miss Lemon's comment quite offensive and I wanted to respond. I hope that moderators will forgive me this parenthesis. :)
 
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