Spoilers Supergirl - Season 2
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Most trackers on TV and Film have inexplicably visible blinking lights in their design for some reason... I think they all took a cue from Homer Simpson's "everything's ok alarm"
If it was just that, yeah, but it might just be that the Stargate technology itself and the non-Earth-native element involved, combined with an uncommon turn of phrase tipped her off.
Or maybe she does know, but is playing along to find out her endgame?
I like Lena's enthusiasm to help the world but it's not the lack of stargates that prevent food and water to be delivered to famine stricken areas... and I'm really not sure how stargates could solve climate change.
J'onn finally remembered he can read minds, and used it successfully with the father, but then the son was somehow able to block him(even though I don't think it's common knowledge Martians have that ability so that he could have foreseen this and prepared), only to forget he can block him by the time he was getting ready to get mindwiped? I get that mind reading is a powerful tool and that for some plots it's convenient to forget J'onn can do that, but at least be consistent within the episode people...
I guess this villain was Supergirl's version of Prometheus from Arrow, just fewer than ten steps ahead because they had to squeeze it all into one episode.
Anyways, I liked the episode even though they could have played up the superhero/cop debate a bit more because it's one of those things where both have very valid points, it was good seeing Maggie get to be a cop and interact with both allies and baddies more, and Alex going all MacGyver was hella cool
So I guess that definitively answers the question does everyone at the DEO know Supergirl's identity...
True -- it's the deliberate action of governments that keep them from getting to needy populations in order to keep them subjugated, or that redirect the resources for their own profit. Without corruption and tyranny, there'd be no famine, because there's more than enough food for everyone. But maybe Lena was thinking that direct teleportation could bypass the supply routes that corrupt governments intercept and manipulate. Just send the stuff directly from the source to where it's needed, and it can't be misappropriated or stopped en route.
Oh, that's easy. Direct teleportation means no more vehicular freight traffic -- and maybe a lot fewer passenger vehicles too -- which means a lot less pollution. Assuming, of course, that the power for the teleporters is generated in a carbon-neutral way.
Altering memories is a rather more intrusive thing than reading thoughts, so what blocks one might not block the other. Or maybe, since he no longer had anything to hide, he stopped blocking his thoughts. Whatever technique he was using was probably hard to keep up indefinitely, and fatigue combined with the disappointment of his failure may have meant he couldn't maintain the block any longer.
I was more disturbed that they were talking so casually and joking around when discussing the forcible alteration of someone's memory. The first time we saw J'onn mindwipe someone, he felt guilty about it even though he had no choice. I fear the show has lost some of the ethical standards it had in the first season.
Well, it was always pretty much treated as a given, but this is the most overt verbal confirmation. Still, I miss the days when she always wore her Supergirl costume at the DEO.
I think "Alex" was one of the best episodes so far.
Grade: D.
Whether Lena moves into what appears to be her naturally evil nature, or manipulates both her and villain, I think calling Kara was an attempt at placing the rest of her "you're Supergirl" pieces together.
Quite true; next to no one in North American culture ever says "thank the gods" as it is not even close to being anything other than a fringe idea associated with (among several ideas) "new age" pseudo philosophies largely born from fringe 1960s movements. If this was not a fantasy series were aliens are running around using that expression, Lena would have written Rhea off as a New Age loon.
IDK - My big issue with this is again all the handwave 'blocks' to finding Alex we're supposed to accept. I mean this kid:
- Is able to get his hands on computer tech that the DEO still can't use to reliably trace (or at least narrow down) the area Alex is trapped in (EVEN AFTER they physically get their hands on a laptop that is connecting to a camera at the location.
- Is able to get his hands on tech that blocks the Martian Manhunter's telepathic powers.
I'm sorry, but if he can do the above - he should be able to break his dad out of prison himself.
My other WTF moment was Maggie's (Paraphrased here but IM0 accurate to how she was thinking): "Hey, you just ruined 17 hours of work I was doing in talking the bank robbers (with guns on Hostages) out. No they hadn't surrendered in those 17 hours but I'm sure they were close to surrendering...HOW DARE YOU!"
- Is able to get his hands on computer tech that the DEO still can't use to reliably trace (or at least narrow down) the area Alex is trapped in (EVEN AFTER they physically get their hands on a laptop that is connecting to a camera at the location.
- Is able to get his hands on tech that blocks the Martian Manhunter's telepathic powers.
I'm sorry, but if he can do the above - he should be able to break his dad out of prison himself.
My other WTF moment was Maggie's (Paraphrased here but IM0 accurate to how she was thinking): "Hey, you just ruined 17 hours of work I was doing in talking the bank robbers (with guns on Hostages) out. No they hadn't surrendered in those 17 hours but I'm sure they were close to surrendering...HOW DARE YOU!"
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Proxies, reverse proxies, vpn, locked down computer - all sorts of tricks that can be used that would at least slow attempts to lock her down.
My other WTF moment was Maggie's (Paraphrased here but IM0 accurate to how she was thinking): "Hey, you just ruined 17 hours of work I was doing in talking the bank robbers (with guns on Hostages) out. No they hadn't surrendered in those 17 hours but I'm sure they were close to surrendering...HOW DARE YOU!"
Some-one who's trained and experience hostage negotiator would be able to get a feel for where things are and whether the person they're dealing is getting close to surrendering.
I think Maggie actually brought up a good point which is that sometimes superheroes should step back and let regular law enforcement handle things. Like she said, if the problem is an alien monster or super meta human, or something that is clearly outside the capabilities of regular law enforcement then yes, a super hero is called for. But super heroes don't need to rush in and save the day every single time, especially when it is a situation that law enforcement is trained to handle.
Is it just me, or does SUpergirl feel like it is going into Legends of Tomorrow type of over-the-topness with stuff like Rhea assuming an Earth identity with no problem (assuming Lena did a basic background check on Rhea), and fitting in pretty nicely with earth culture (like college stuff, or moreso)
And regarding Christopher's assertion that "thank the Gods" should be normal to Lena...sorry, but that's crazy. Really, where in pop culture, other than referring to myth gods (like American Gods today, or Hercules back in the day) has anyone said anything like "Thank the Gods"? While in the deepest realms of possibility, NOT in the realm of probability. Lena, being a Luthor, has probably grown up with a lot of scientists...people who would lean more atheistic than polytheistic.
Her logic , along with other clues, was correct. Though confronting an alien of unknown power seems pretty stupid...at least not without a battleplan (or contacting Supergirl).
We'll see ... hope it doesn't divide Kara & Lena.
And regarding Christopher's assertion that "thank the Gods" should be normal to Lena...sorry, but that's crazy. Really, where in pop culture, other than referring to myth gods (like American Gods today, or Hercules back in the day) has anyone said anything like "Thank the Gods"? While in the deepest realms of possibility, NOT in the realm of probability. Lena, being a Luthor, has probably grown up with a lot of scientists...people who would lean more atheistic than polytheistic.
Her logic , along with other clues, was correct. Though confronting an alien of unknown power seems pretty stupid...at least not without a battleplan (or contacting Supergirl).
We'll see ... hope it doesn't divide Kara & Lena.
At the very least, as Maggie said, Supergirl should coordinate with law enforcement, talk to them and work in concert with them, instead of just unilaterally barging in on a situation they're handling. Even aside from issues of safety and successful prosecution, it seems like a matter of basic professional courtesy.
I liked the bit about Supergirl destroying evidence that lets perpetrators off at trial.
And the excessive force as well.
In addition to all the other confusing or lazy things everyone else has brought up, it was really odd how punch first Kara was this ep, even for her. As early as the the season 1 ep where she stops an armed robbery without her powers, and as late as a few eps ago when she and Mon-El met with Rhea, she's been perfectly ok with talking people down, so I don't know why (other than poor writing) she would be so against it now, at least until the very end of the episode of course.
Also, if this hostage negotiation has been going on for 17 hours, why did Supergirl only show up then?
Yeah, it was a nice bit of realism. We all know how good lawyers can be in real life at getting their clients off on technicalities. If super heroes existed and acted like they do in the comics, you can bet that lawyers would find all kinds of clever ways to use it to their advantage to win cases.
I feel there's been a trend in that direction lately, though, with Kara getting cockier and more gung-ho. Like how she reacted to the suggestion that she lay low when there was a price put on her head, saying she was the Girl of Steel and didn't back down from anything. You could even tie the arrogance with the Cadmus story that got her fired from CatCo into the same pattern. She does seem to have a problem with overconfidence and recklessness lately, and I do hope the writers are going somewhere with that, building to her learning more humility and restraint. Last week we saw her learning humility in her reporting job, while this week was about learning some humility with regard to superhero-police relations; hopefully this will tie together into a character-growth arc and she'll be more patient and mature going forward. But so far it feels more disjointed than that, so I'm not sure they really have a plan in that regard.
I've been thinking about this episode for the last few days, and I think my problem with the show now isn't so much with this episode but with this season as a whole. We're 3 episodes away from the end of the season, and we're getting episodes where Alex is in a hostage situation while still waiting to deal with Cadmus and what Rhea is up to. I remember before the hiatus my complaint was they were adding a storyline for the last five episodes and people came back saying something to the effect of these stories are going to be tied together and things will wrap up as they should. Well, if that's the case why did the last two episodes feel ill-timely episodic? When we look back on this season of Supergirl, what was it. Are they really going to wrap up two major storylines in 3 episodes? Heck, we haven't even gotten back to the president yet, who turned out to be an Alien in what might amount to being a wasted scene.
As for the episode, it was good. Liked seeing Kara and Maggie have an episode together and I'm really glad the issue of law enforcement and vigilante/heroism was brought up. Still, we're three episodes left before the end of the season. I hope we get some kind of conclusion, even if they do still have Cadmus around next season. Something I would like would be a real family get together with the Danvers clan and Jeremiah under no false pretenses. If last season promised to bring the father back, than a good conclusion would be to "really" bring the father back, even if Cadmus still out there.
As for the episode, it was good. Liked seeing Kara and Maggie have an episode together and I'm really glad the issue of law enforcement and vigilante/heroism was brought up. Still, we're three episodes left before the end of the season. I hope we get some kind of conclusion, even if they do still have Cadmus around next season. Something I would like would be a real family get together with the Danvers clan and Jeremiah under no false pretenses. If last season promised to bring the father back, than a good conclusion would be to "really" bring the father back, even if Cadmus still out there.
Yeah, compared to Arrow, Flash or Legends, Supergirl is pretty bad at doing season long arcs. And when a show drops its arcs, viewers tend to lose interest.
The thing is I thought the season long arc in Season 1 was pretty good. Supergirl was going up against her aunt, and things were actually building and flowing on top of each other until we got to a satisfying conclusion. When we were not dealing with that, we were dealing with Kara being scarred by her actions under the red kryptonite, which served the Flash crossover really well. Things in season 1 felt tighter, while in Season 2 it's all over the place and these arcs that were started in Season 1 doesn't feel like they will end in Season 2, thus waiting another summer to see what happens before we can get to something else. Maybe if the writers had not done so much with the Mon'el/Kara relationship and actually dealt with the arcs in a straight/narrow way, I wouldn't be having this problem now.
Well her sister was kidnapped, if anything's gonna make her extra angry and impulsive it would be that.
But the "punch first" mentality was set up in the opening bank-robbery scene, well before the abduction.
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