Last Jedi Official Teaser Trailer is Here!
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^I just had a thought about the whole balance thing, when the Jedi fell, it was because one of them turned to the Dark Side, then when the Sith were destroyed it was because Vader came back to the light, and then again when the New Jedi Order fell it was because a Jedi fell to the Dark Side. I was also playing LEGO Force Awakens after the panel, and while the game is loading it always pops up little bits of trivia, and this time one popped up about how Supreme Leader Snoke is interested in Kylo because he has experience with both the Light and Dark Sides, or something like that. This and all of the talk of balance in the trailer does make me wonder if we will be getting stuff about learning to use both sides of the Force in this one. It seems like people who have experience with both sides of the Force are very significant, and they end up being the ones who bring about all of the big shifts from both sides.
The trailer was great, lots of interesting stuff.
One thing that jumped out at me is how much more interesting the shooting style is compared to Force Awakens. I'm a huge JJ Abrams fan, but visually he does tend to shoot things in a fairly simple manner. Johnson on the other hand, does seem to have much more interesting shooting style.
I loved the shot of Rey practicing with the lightsaber, and the ships or speeders going along the desert with the red trailing behind them. I was hoping to see a few more of the characters, but we'll probably get more in other trailers.
So what was the black thing we saw all smashed up?
The trailer was great, lots of interesting stuff.
One thing that jumped out at me is how much more interesting the shooting style is compared to Force Awakens. I'm a huge JJ Abrams fan, but visually he does tend to shoot things in a fairly simple manner. Johnson on the other hand, does seem to have much more interesting shooting style.
I loved the shot of Rey practicing with the lightsaber, and the ships or speeders going along the desert with the red trailing behind them. I was hoping to see a few more of the characters, but we'll probably get more in other trailers.
So what was the black thing we saw all smashed up?
OK, at first I thought it might have been Vader's but that would make sense too.
We have a name for the planet where the ships are trailer the red stuff, Crait. It's a "mineral planet" that is home to an old abandoned Rebel base.
We have a name for the planet where the ships are trailer the red stuff, Crait. It's a "mineral planet" that is home to an old abandoned Rebel base.
I am sure you guys already noticed this but in the scene with the burning temple, that is Luke and R2D2 in the foreground. Luke is wearing the same dark cloak as in the scene in TFA. That scene must be a flash back to when Kylo Ren destroys the Jedi Temple where Luke was training new Jedi and Luke and R2D2 are watching the aftermath from a distance.
And if you're right, the original trilogy has been rendered meaningless. I'm concerned about this film
The Sith are not the dark side anymore than the Jedi are the light side.
My read on it is that the dark side is a side-effect of sapient life. No matter how vicious or lethal, an animal doesn't hate, a virus doesn't feel anger and a parasite isn't evil. Only a self-aware creature can act with evil intent and I think that's the real origin of the dark side.
Again, don't conflate balance with parity. Also remember that the early term Lucas had for the dark side was "the para-force"; literally "that which is opposed to the force". Not the other half of the force, but a counter force. A corruption.
Yoda said it himself: "A prophecy that misread, could have been."
The more I think about it, the more I'm reminded that one of the myriad early influences of Star Wars was 'Dune' and one of the key concepts in that book was basically "beware of prophecies", they have a way of narrowing the course of the future and can entrap those who would heed them.
Perhaps the whole point of the "Chosen One" as a story element within the sage was to show just how lost the Jedi had become. They were blindly following an old prophecy they don't even understand and which is never explicitly recited to the audience. We don't know from whence or even who it came, how old it it or in what context it was given.
I'm also given to recalling Yoda's words: "always in motion is the future." Which on the face of it seems directly opposed to the idea of a fixed future one can forsee. Now, this is from a post RotS Yoda. Perhaps by this point he's seen the folly of the Jedi and the trap of prophecy. Indeed, overconfidence built on a foundation of foresight was also the downfall of the Sith.
It's entirely possible the the whole notion of a Chosen One is a misguided concept, or a vision of a future that never came to pass. Anakin may only have been "the chosen one" because he was made so and put in that position, because Qui-Gon believed him to be. Had the circumstances of his discovery been different, had the expectation and suspicion of the council not swirled around him all through his training, he may not have turned out to be anything like the crucial figure he ultimately became.
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I was thinking that too. I think it might also be a scene in the beginning of the movie with Luke explaining to Ray where he was.
Then it's a poor metaphor.
I think the endgame will be something along the lines of "The very last Jedi awakens the Force in everybody."
Throughout the history of the galaxy far far away, the one fatal flaw is that the entire course of history has been dictated by a very select number of people. There is this binding mystical power that is "inside" everyone but can only be accessed by a few hundred people--and that's in a 'world' that consists of trillions (if not quadrillions) of individuals.
And those few people have fought a millennia-spanning battle over two opposing philosophies which "truths" don't even account for all the possibles, all while everyone else gets caught up in the middle.
Or rather, you have these two worlds where one world dictates the "fate" (for lack of a better term) of the other. And the one thing Anakin, Luke, and Rey all share is they were born of one of these worlds but raised in the other. That gives them--especially Luke--a unique perspective.
Throughout the history of the galaxy far far away, the one fatal flaw is that the entire course of history has been dictated by a very select number of people. There is this binding mystical power that is "inside" everyone but can only be accessed by a few hundred people--and that's in a 'world' that consists of trillions (if not quadrillions) of individuals.
And those few people have fought a millennia-spanning battle over two opposing philosophies which "truths" don't even account for all the possibles, all while everyone else gets caught up in the middle.
Or rather, you have these two worlds where one world dictates the "fate" (for lack of a better term) of the other. And the one thing Anakin, Luke, and Rey all share is they were born of one of these worlds but raised in the other. That gives them--especially Luke--a unique perspective.
This isn't subtext, it's literally text -- Anakin asks Qui-Gon, the rogue Jedi who everyone on the Council distrusts, "Have you come to free the slaves?"
The slaves are the orthodox Jedi and Sith, unthinkingly adherent to their codes and their practices and their legacies and, in doing so, becoming complacent. The whole throughline of the prequels is that the Jedi are mind-numbingly incompetent and arrogant because of their position in society. And once Qui-Gon died, Obi-Wan himself became a slave to Qui-Gon's memory ("he IS the chosen one") as opposed to Qui-Gon's real teaching (being "mindful of the present Force"), and because he's a slave to that, he doesn't realize that Anakin is a deeply troubled person, always has been, and really has no business being anywhere near a lightsaber. That slavishness set Anakin up to fail, and it was only Anakin's explicit rejection of that slavishness that allowed him to overcome the Emperor.
That's a position invented by fans. Lucas has never promoted it despite the fact that his name is always erroneously attached to it.
George Lucas is the one who put a yin-yang symbol in Attack of the Clones and was involved in the Clone Wars arc which also used the symbol. There's a reason for that.
That's wrong. Lucas never said any such thing, and there's a reason that the Jedi in his films conspicuously never talk about eliminating the dark side either. Because it is fan revisionism, not consistent with Lucas' concept of the Force ( which has both sides in its natural state ).
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Wrong. He explicitly called it half of the Force in the second draft:
As you know, the "FORCE OF OTHERS" has two halves: Ashla, the good, and Bogan, the paraforce or evil part.
And in the third draft:
There are two halves of the Force of Others. One is positive and will help you if you learn how to use it. But the other half will kill you if you aren’t careful.
It is the sides of the Force that are analogous to yang and yin.
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2 minutes in he says here that Vader defeating Palpatine and removing evil from the universe brings balance to the force.
He has also said what you have said, it seems like he can't make up his mind if destroying evil is balance or not.
More sources here
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chosen_One/Legends#Statements_by_George_Lucas
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He doesn't say get rid of the dark side. He says get rid of the Sith and get rid of evil.
It could be that the point here is to separate the dark side from evil.
Plus I hate to sound rash but GL sold Lucasfilm. He sold Indiana Jones. He sold Star Wars. Then he had the gall to call Disney "white slavers." His presence at Celebration yesterday indicates his vision is respected. I also respect there are fans out there that will only accept what Uncle George tells them to be true is true. I don't. He sold his company. He made over $4 billion on the sale. If Kathy Kennedy and Rian Johnson choose to ignore statements that Lucas made that never made it to screen? Personally, I have no problem with that.
I don't necessarily either, but at this point we don't know that this is one of those cases.
Such an epic teaser trailer!
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