CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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Am I mistaken, or didn't RMB storyboard the thing with his phone camera and action figures?
There you go. Add a couple of title cards, Richter cgi , and AP/RMB narration to the Barbie doll stills.
I smell a hit! Somebody start a new fundraiser!
There you go. Add a couple of title cards, Richter cgi , and AP/RMB narration to the Barbie doll stills.
I smell a hit! Somebody start a new fundraiser!
I don't think your speculation holds much water. It presumes a higher order of planning and coordination than we've ever seen exhibited by Alec Peters.Okay. I have just been told I am incorrect thinking ax productions & industry studios are two UNconnected things. Got it. I'm wrong. And that the studio production area has no AC. (I also remember it isn't fully sound proofed)
Okay. Here's where I started:
1. landlordDanny has forgiven the balance of the lease and keeps industry studios & its website.
1.a. the studio production area has zero AC.2. ax 'productions' is vacating the studio at the end of the month and is considering:
1.b. the sound proofing is not yet completed.
1.c. defendantGarth is allowed to film there At Cost. (aprx $500 a day ballpark?)
A) moving out of state
B) moving elsewhere within the area
C) just moving the set(s) to a storage facility.
D) and propwox too? (<-hasn't been mentioned as far as I've heard)
E) editing equipment too? (<-hasn't been mentioned as far as I've heard)
Which meannnnnnsss..... What? (Regarding the 'ownership' of ax productions & industry std)
So I have these puzzle pieces:
- --"Danny, will be taking over the facility" ('taking over' does not necessarily indicate a change of ownership)
- --"Danny will keep the Industry Studios name, website " ('possibly' 'suggests' a change of ownership?)
Speculative conclusion:
- --"and even [keep] some of the personnel for on-site management." (keeps some of the personnel to manage the place?)..... What personnel? defendantGarth's? That is what the wording implies. Otherwise if anything was said at all about on-site management, and industry std belonged to landlordDanny, it would be worded 'providing his own personnel for on-site management.'
defendantGarth is retaining ownership of industry std.
ax productions is vacating. ax productions consists of sets, furniture, editing equipment, computers.
- --no known statement that furniture needs to vacate.
- --no known statement that furniture belong to ind std.
- --no known statement that editing equipment needs to vacate.
- --no known statement that the computers need to vacate.
- --no known statement that prpwx needs to vacate.
- --loud and clear statement that the set(s) must vacate the premises.
Working with theory that if the furniture, editing equipment, & computers needed to vacate this would have been said loud and clear.
Speculative conclusion:
Only the set(s) must vacate the premises.
Quandry:
Why does defendantGarth retain ownership of industry std?
Why are only the sets needing storage?
Why is defendantGarth providing some of the on-site management?
Speculative conclusion:
This isn't a real move. This is removing the sets from the studio floor.
Working with the the theory that nothing is being moved out but the sets.
Speculative conclusion:
Sets need to move out to finish the work needed to start renting the studio; installing AC & completing soundproofing. Hence the 'Warp Speed' indicator.
Quandry:
If this isn't a real move and defendantGarth still owns the studio why would landlordDanny forgive the balance on the lease?
Speculative conclusion:
Circles back to Mr. B, landlordD, and defendantG have formed some kind of unpublicized partnership and are gearing up to open for business as soon as the AC and soundproofing are in place! And defendantGarth isn't heading out for Georgia anytime soon.
--defendantGarth brings to the partnership deal our studio, our furnishings, and our equipment.
--landlordDanny brings to the partnership deal maybe two months of no rental income.
--Mr. B is bringing the bookings of cash paying clients to the deal.
Sounds like a plan to me!
I have no speculations at all regarding what the heck is going on with the 'help us figure out how & where to move' thing defendantGarth has going on.A distraction?
And somebody's going to be paying to install the AC. Mr.B? landlordD? Donations to the IGG?
Ditto with the soundproofing.
This was fun.
If landlord Danny were so in bed with Peters as you imagine we would've seen a higher order of trust than is implied by the initial deal requiring so much rent prepaid.
If Mike Bawden had so many high-paying clients on tap why hold them back until after Peters had lost the studio?
As for AC and soundproofing those are clearly costs Danny will have to bear if he's seriously into turning Industry into a "boutique studio" (whatever that means). Certainly, all that donor cash that went into building improvements has given him a huge head start. But recall that Peters has said he hadn't planned to soundproof the studio because of the cost.
Given that Danny will still have to lay out a fair bit of cash to complete the studio, this was clearly a last-minute deal not the overarching diabolical plot you imagine.
Am I mistaken, or didn't RMB storyboard the thing with his phone camera and action figures?
There you go. Add a couple of title cards, Richter cgi , and AP/RMB narration to the Barbie doll stills.
I smell a hit! Somebody start a new fundraiser!
Someone get Tiny Beverly in for a reading!
http://www.startrek.com/article/exclusive-1-8-beverly-crusher
If such people were brought in before the donors lost the studio, then the donors would still have the studio (the original relationship of donors to the projects would remain intact and expectations would exist for its future). The studio hasn't gone lost, its just in different hands, in a way that's "lost" definitively only to the donors. Part of donors "losing it" has been the campaign to argue that all the funds donated for a film could be redirected without limit to the studio infrastructure. Part is whatever is happening now, IMO.
They were constantly looking for a way to make a business that sooner than later would take full ownership of all assets and do the fans the favor of renting for cost. That appears to be what has happened. To me the question is who really owns the stuff now.. is it abandoned purely to the landlord, or is the old business cabal still holding a stake?
And who's to say what "for cost" means?
If you believe Peters' figures on base rent/utilities per month, then $15,000 comes to $500 a day. Utilities in a production situation, of course, would be much higher than than that. But that gives you an idea of the ballpark they're playing in.And who's to say what "for cost" means?
I do take your good points.Diabolical plot
As of this post I am still favoring my speculations. Always with my own understanding that I could be sooooo wrong on any and all of them.
And as I'm not married to them, being mere speculations and all, even revise or reverse them if new information leads me to do so!
After all you do make some very good points.
Sure, but the quotes could and probably would have varied from project to project, based on the unpredictable whim of LFIM.
I predict that once Axanot vacates, Industry Studios is, as an ongoing concern, null and void.*
*To paraphrase Monty Python.
IF Alec can get someone who knows how to edit; I'd say the final form of Axanar will be footage already shot YEARS AGO (from the 'Origins' vignette as well as perhaps the 'Vulcan Scene'); combined with a heavy dose of however much VFX footage (again already completed, delivered and paid for by Alec Peters to Tobias Richter) they can fit; combined with some new voice over here and there.
IF they did any 'new' shooting of talking heads; they could effectively do it in someone's bedroom/living room/garage in front of a portable green screen. <--- However that would again require Alec to find someone capable of creating backgrounds and doing the compositing - because I do not think Tommy Kraft will take up that (or any) job for Alec Peters/Axanar again.
Indeed you have.
I go back and forth on this. Some days yes. Some days no.
Today I'm leaning toward yes.
Imagine STC with $1M in donations... they could have done a full 20 episode season. Or built the sets for a true post TMP era show. Endless possibilities. Alec squandered his golden ticket. Lightning struck, but all that energy potential was squandered. Pity, indeed....
Irish and English Travellers (and their American immigrant counterparts, who unfortunately don't have official recognition here yet) are recognized ethnic groups in Britain and Ireland, the latter of which are related to the Romani/Gypsies. It's not interchangeable with "mafia" and while you might not have been aware of that even using that excuse wears thin since you also used Gypsies —which I'm sure you recognize are an ethnic group— in a negative fashion. So spare me the "broad brush" crap. My criticism was aimed squarely at your rhetoric, not an entire group of people.
Oh spare me. He was absolutely correct in stating that police in USA have used the term "Travelers" for the so-called American Gypsies. They may claim to be related to European Gypsies, but that connection is highly doubtful. He did not mention British/Irish/European Gypsies/Romani. He specifically referred to _American_ Gypsies. You're the one who brought up the European (true) Gypsies/Romani. I see no connection and zero offense intended or implied on his part.
I honestly think it's not about him not knowing what to do, just being completely unwilling to go through the first two very simple steps to regain traction and credibility.
1) Admit he made mistakes.
2) Apologise.
That's it. That's all you need, and that's all anyone with a hint of a PR mind (Bawden?) would need to propel this into some kind of winning situation. Strip the arrogance, strip the facade and just say "I've fucked up, I'm sorry I let you down. Please, let me fix this."
The problem is his persona just isn't capable of being wrong. As we've seen it's always someone elses fault, or a lie, or words of haters (even a fecking judge!), or a new backtracking story.... he has to be the best, he has to be right and you have to believe it too or you're shunned.
For some reason he needs to be this image of himself and I don't think he has it in him to change.
But if he admits to ANY wrongdoing, he opens himself up to legal action from angry donors (which may happen anyway)
With his very vocal history, I sincerely doubt such a worry would enter his mind.
Keeping up appearances and the perception of who or what he wants to be always overrules all else. It seems that in his mind, he's indestructible.
Technically, he already admitted to wrongdoing as part of the settlement - so that ship has sailed.
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