CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

[Campe]

I think the 200+ number, based on contributors to the Indiegogo campaign, is probably a more accurate number. Still, a pretty big comedown from the vaunted 15,000 he says he once commanded.

Probably true. But how many are left now after his latest announcement? It'd be hard to believe all 200+ still trust him, especially as there has been proof of dvision in the form of upset reports on Facebook. I'm guessing he's lost at least a quarter to half of those who donated to his last IGG from the announcement of losing Industry Studios. Not to mention the continued evidence he has no people skills in dealing with criticism.

 

[dmac]

If you just sucked up the last drops of good graces from the Star Trek Fan community, cut ties and hightailed across the country, would you emerge back into the Star Trek Fan community in such a big hurry or find a new flock to fleece?

 

[ThankYouGeneR]

Okay. I have just been told I am incorrect thinking ax productions & industry studios are two UNconnected things. Got it. I'm wrong. And that the studio production area has no AC. (I also remember it isn't fully sound proofed)

Okay. Here's where I started:
1. landlordDanny has forgiven the balance of the lease and keeps industry studios & its website.

1.a. the studio production area has zero AC.
1.b. the sound proofing is not yet completed.
1.c. defendantGarth is allowed to film there At Cost. (aprx $500 a day ballpark?)​

2. ax 'productions' is vacating the studio at the end of the month and is considering:

A) moving out of state
B) moving elsewhere within the area
C) just moving the set(s) to a storage facility.
D) and propwox too? (<-hasn't been mentioned as far as I've heard)
E) editing equipment too? (<-hasn't been mentioned as far as I've heard)​

Which meannnnnnsss..... What? (Regarding the 'ownership' of ax productions & industry std)

So I have these puzzle pieces:

• --"Danny, will be taking over the facility" ('taking over' does not necessarily indicate a change of ownership)

• --"Danny will keep the Industry Studios name, website " ('possibly' 'suggests' a change of ownership?)

• --"and even [keep] some of the personnel for on-site management." (keeps some of the personnel to manage the place?)..... What personnel? defendantGarth's? That is what the wording implies. Otherwise if anything was said at all about on-site management, and industry std belonged to landlordDanny, it would be worded 'providing his own personnel for on-site management.'

Speculative conclusion:

defendantGarth is retaining ownership of industry std.​

ax productions is vacating. ax productions consists of sets, furniture, editing equipment, computers.

• --no known statement that furniture needs to vacate.
• --no known statement that furniture belong to ind std.
• --no known statement that editing equipment needs to vacate.
• --no known statement that the computers need to vacate.
• --no known statement that prpwx needs to vacate.
• --loud and clear statement that the set(s) must vacate the premises.

Working with theory that if the furniture, editing equipment, & computers needed to vacate this would have been said loud and clear.

Speculative conclusion:

Only the set(s) must vacate the premises.​

Quandry:

Why does defendantGarth retain ownership of industry std?
Why are only the sets needing storage?
Why is defendantGarth providing some of the on-site management?​

Speculative conclusion:

This isn't a real move. This is removing the sets from the studio floor.​

Working with the the theory that nothing is being moved out but the sets.

Speculative conclusion:

Sets need to move out to finish the work needed to start renting the studio; installing AC & completing soundproofing. Hence the 'Warp Speed' indicator.​

Quandry:

If this isn't a real move and defendantGarth still owns the studio why would landlordDanny forgive the balance on the lease?​

Speculative conclusion:

Circles back to Mr. B, landlordD, and defendantG have formed some kind of unpublicized partnership and are gearing up to open for business as soon as the AC and soundproofing are in place! And defendantGarth isn't heading out for Georgia anytime soon.​

--defendantGarth brings to the partnership deal our studio, our furnishings, and our equipment.
--landlordDanny brings to the partnership deal maybe two months of no rental income.
--Mr. B is bringing the bookings of cash paying clients to the deal.

Sounds like a plan to me!


I have no speculations at all regarding what the heck is going on with the 'help us figure out how & where to move' thing defendantGarth has going on. A distraction?

And somebody's going to be paying to install the AC. Mr.B? landlordD? Donations to the IGG?

Ditto with the soundproofing.



This was fun.

 

[Sgt_G]

Can't figure out if it's all smoke and mirrors, or bait and switch. Maybe both at once??

 

[ThankYouGeneR]

I'm guessing he's lost at least a quarter to half of those who donated to his last IGG from the announcement of losing Industry Studios.

And that's the thing. This afternoon I was talking with my out of state Trek friend, also being a past donor, who periodically checks in on the FB page. So I suggested checking in while we're on the phone because I 'never' get to see FB since I don't 'have' an account.

So we did. Friend is sort of skimming the conversations? threads? and giving me highlights of what's being said. After getting the gist of what was going on I said 'give me a couple of names of posters who appear the least happy about the IGG and I'll check them against the donor list'.

And that's the thing. Most of the names grumping weren't matching up with the current IGG Backers list. As in they hadn't donated to this one. And the names defending 'were' on the current Backer list. Which after reading your post got me thinking what if 'mayyybe' it is almost exactly the 200 or so backers to the current IGG who are the last vestiges of the donors who are still fully committed to the defendant?

I mean the claim is thousssaaaannnnddddsss. But what if it's closer in number to the number of donors who went to the party this time?

I will grant the probability the people on that FB at that the time of day we were doing this may in fact not be representative in any way of the reality were I had been able to get on myself and check the poster names with the backer list over a 24 hour period. Which I am sooooo not interest in. Besides I don't have a FB account to even be able to do it.

And I will grant the possibility that many donors there at the time, like I do, may not have even donated under their full or actual name as it shows on the list.

I'll grant we could have been doing this when lots of the backer/questioners weren't even online.

So there's that.

Plus there are absolutely too many variables and too small a sampling and too short a time interested in doing this to realistically expect any kind of accuracy. But what If.... what if this IGG Backers list is representative of those who are still committed to this project and this person?

What if.....

 

[BillJ]

He can use the wood from the sets to keep his homeless ass warm at night.

 

[MikeH92467]

The half built sets sitting around gathering dust remind me of the scamsters known as "Travellers". They are basically American Gypsies who who travel around the country looking for potential (often elderly people who are not at the top of their game anymore) and offer "services" such as repaving driveways or "fixing" roofs at ridiculously low prices, payment is demanded up front, in cash with no paperwork. The work gets started, but never finished and is usually half-assed at best. (The Axanar sets look like they could have been very nice, but that's not really a defense) The travellers are well-known to local police everywhere, but are frustratingly difficult to hold to account since everything is done in cash with no documentation and as we all know, it's much more difficult to hit a moving target. The Travellers are a community of sociopaths who have no conscience and no compunction about stealing from anyone. I suspect LFIM is at least an honorary member...

 

[Jedi_Master]

I'd wager Alec has about 20-30 hard core supporters who will follow him to the bitter end, and perhaps 200-300 willing to slip him a fiver every once in while because, hey they got the cash and maybe he might get around to making that super cool film he promised to make three years ago.

He can't build a business on that level of support.

 

[Smoked Salmon]

The half built sets sitting around gathering dust remind me of the scamsters known as "Travellers". They are basically American Gypsies who who travel around the country looking for potential (often elderly people who are not at the top of their game anymore) and offer "services" such as repaving driveways or "fixing" roofs at ridiculously low prices, payment is demanded up front, in cash with no paperwork. The work gets started, but never finished and is usually half-assed at best. (The Axanar sets look like they could have been very nice, but that's not really a defense) The travellers are well-known to local police everywhere, but are frustratingly difficult to hold to account since everything is done in cash with no documentation and as we all know, it's much more difficult to hit a moving target. The Travellers are a community of sociopaths who have no conscience and no compunction about stealing from anyone. I suspect LFIM is at least an honorary member...

This is, probably unintentionally, a pretty racist post. Travellers is another name for Irish gypsies and refers to their ethnic group (we have them in the UK as well). While what you say is unfortunately associated with the group in some cases, you're nonetheless stereotyping an ethnic group as scamsters, sociopaths and thieves. It's like saying all Jews are tight with money. What if someone if gypsie heritage posts here?

 

[BillJ]

I'd wager Alec has about 20-30 hard core supporters who will follow him to the bitter end, and perhaps 200-300 willing to slip him a fiver every once in while because, hey they got the cash and maybe he might get around to making that super cool film he promised to make three years ago.

He can't build a business on that level of support.

I want to see what big things he'll have cooking in Georgia? Maybe he'll talk big investors into investing in a Blockbuster franchise? Or, maybe he can work the drive-thru at the local McDonald's?

 

[Smoked Salmon]

maybe he can work the drive-thru at the local McDonald's?

I wouldn't want Peter serving me in a Mc Donald's. You'd order a Big Mac and end up getting a bun with a leaf of lettuce in it.

 

[BillJ]

Is Rob Burnett still hanging on? Thinking Axanar is his ticket to making big time sci-fi?

 

[Krandor]

And that's the thing. This afternoon I was talking with my out of state Trek friend, also being a past donor, who periodically checks in on the FB page. So I suggested checking in while we're on the phone because I 'never' get to see FB since I don't 'have' an account.

So we did. Friend is sort of skimming the conversations? threads? and giving me highlights of what's being said. After getting the gist of what was going on I said 'give me a couple of names of posters who appear the least happy about the IGG and I'll check them against the donor list'.

And that's the thing. Most of the names grumping weren't matching up with the current IGG Backers list. As in they hadn't donated to this one. And the names defending 'were' on the current Backer list. Which after reading your post got me thinking what if 'mayyybe' it is almost exactly the 200 or so backers to the current IGG who are the last vestiges of the donors who are still fully committed to the defendant?

I mean the claim is thousssaaaannnnddddsss. But what if it's closer in number to the number of donors who went to the party this time?

I will grant the probability the people on that FB at that the time of day we were doing this may in fact not be representative in any way of the reality were I had been able to get on myself and check the poster names with the backer list over a 24 hour period. Which I am sooooo not interest in. Besides I don't have a FB account to even be able to do it.

And I will grant the possibility that many donors there at the time, like I do, may not have even donated under their full or actual name as it shows on the list.

I'll grant we could have been doing this when lots of the backer/questioners weren't even online.

So there's that.

Plus there are absolutely too many variables and too small a sampling and too short a time interested in doing this to realistically expect any kind of accuracy. But what If.... what if this IGG Backers list is representative of those who are still committed to this project and this person?

What if.....

If all those 200 still support him and that is all then he won't get the money for axanar. Of course he was off this weekend trying to bring in new supporters.

 

[Jedi_Master]

I wouldn't want Peter serving me in a Mc Donald's. You'd order a Big Mac and end up getting a bun with a leaf of lettuce in it.

I'll have Diana get on that right away. You can direct any additional questions to Alec@BigMacproductions.com

Alec Peters
Executive Producer

 

[Smoked Salmon]

I'll have Diana get on that right away. You can direct any additional questions to Alec@BigMacproductions.com

Alec Peters
Executive Producer

So you get the special sauce 18 months later?

 

[Jedi_Master]

So you get the special sauce 18 months later?

If you have properly signed up on Arches 2.0.

 

[GeorgeKirk]

If Alec wants to advertise for additional backers, I'll bet he could get a good deal on some ad slots during The O'Reilly Factor.

 

[muCephi]

Alec would make an awesome Dr. Smith... Oh the pain!

Dr. Smith was a wild fan favorite at conventions. Alec who?

Can't figure out if it's all smoke and mirrors, or bait and switch. Maybe both at once??

I have been saying this for the better part of a year. Mr. Bawden wanted a place to shoot native advertising. Alec wanted to be Mr. Mogul. RMB wanted a place to do professional work unrelated to Trek.

Multiple attempts have been made to trial-balloon reorgs that shift the dollar-value of the donations into a private business (sold to investors, operate as nonprofit school, various shell companies, etc.). Now here is another.

My bet is that a lease buyout has occurred wherein interested business parties are getting the entire facility transferred to their ownership for free and in the dark. "Danny" may or may not be a partner in it, but is a convenient alternative explanation for why some unexplained sort of business reorg/property transfer "has" to happen.

Intended all along? *Some*thing of the sort seems to have been intended all along. The attitude has always been "if you want to give us so much, we will invest most of it and let you donors have some of the interest income for a little while, thanks!" The exact form seems to depend more on what has finally worn out the donors so they abandon their stake.

 

[RedForman]

So does anyone think at this point Axanar will ever get made in any sort of form?? It's obvious support is quickly falling below the threshold necessary to sustain things from a financial standpoint and backers are slowly jettisoning this albatross.

Yeah, LFIM might have *some* support left, but how much is quite debatable. I think he knows he's screwed and in an untenable position, but doesn't quite know how to extricate & give himself some plausible deniability (to the aforementioned supporters still remaining).

I think he's trying to find a way to unload the studio onto someone/some entity that he can stay indirectly connected to and is plotting to get out of CA (way back when, I think most of us remember how Michael Hinman pointed out that he had property/land in GA) so if and when things finally do come crashing down, he'll remain in the clear to a large degree.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

The half built sets sitting around gathering dust remind me of the scamsters known as "Travellers". They are basically American Gypsies who who travel around the country looking for potential (often elderly people who are not at the top of their game anymore) and offer "services" such as repaving driveways or "fixing" roofs at ridiculously low prices, payment is demanded up front, in cash with no paperwork. The work gets started, but never finished and is usually half-assed at best. (The Axanar sets look like they could have been very nice, but that's not really a defense) The travellers are well-known to local police everywhere, but are frustratingly difficult to hold to account since everything is done in cash with no documentation and as we all know, it's much more difficult to hit a moving target. The Travellers are a community of sociopaths who have no conscience and no compunction about stealing from anyone. I suspect LFIM is at least an honorary member...

It's a myth that Irish Travellers or English Travellers/Romani/Gypsies have any more of a propensity to commit crime than any other group, and shame on you for still perpetuating such myths 75 years after the Nazis committed genocide against others like them using such propaganda and lies as a justification.