Chris Pine Wants To Know What’s Going On With Next Star Trek Movie

[Smellmet]

09 was incredible . it is the best star trek movie and is one of the best sci fi movies ever.

Not quite for me, that honour still goes to TWOK/TMP, though the time gap is so long between them you can't really make a fair comparison between them any more. It's like comparing a classic Ferrari to their latest 812 Superfast Model. Suffice to say it's right up there regardless though.

Into Darkness was a good movie but it was not a good star trek movie in my opinion.

Can see where you're coming from but I think STID is every bit as good as 09, maybe even better. It's certainly more exciting and dramatic.

Beyond is one of the best star trek movies.

This I do agree with, but like the first two I'm struggling to separate the three. Right now, I'd give the nod to Beyond, but only just. They are all excellent in my view.

I think Beyond saved the franchise for most fans both old and new.. Into Darkness was the movie that had the tos nostalgia and the the movie that backfired with fans, add that to the
huge backlash that led JJ Abrams to kind of apologise for how Into Darkness turned out.

This 'backlash' I still don't see in any way, shape, or form bar that poxy poll at that convention that voted it the worst Trek film of all time (worse than TFF, INS? Really?). Into Darkness was well received and the most financially successful Trek movie of all time. Also, I don't see where the TOS nostalgia was in STID either, I thought Beyond leaned much more in that direction. STID had easter eggs and callbacks sure, but Beyond really felt like a big screen TOS outing to me.

Beyond as the least successful of the 3 films has nothing to do with tos nostalgia. many franchise do slump in box office by their 3rd movie.I think if they had made beyond like intro darkness, the box office would have been less than what beyond made.

Guess we'll never know the answer to this.

if there is a new film, I will rather see JJ Abrams come back as the director .
Star Trek Beyond is the film that finally bridges the gap of old and new fans. in a way it felt like tos again but at the same time, the growth with the characters in this alternate timeline was very believable. I dont think the old or new fans felt alienated from Beyond at all.

I wouldn't say no to JJ coming back, but he'll cost even more money this time round. Would he even be interested? I doubt it. He's surely going to want to direct a much bigger film than what Trek can offer him, especially after the mega success of The Force Awakens. Pure speculation though on my part I admit.

Also - didn't you just say above that STID had the TOS nostalgia?

I agree about the marketing too. Paramount needs to promote this franchise like disney does with star wars. if paramount put in the effort. the trek movies should be doing 500m world wide at the box office.

I think they've blown it for this kind of money now. STID nearly got there, and Beyond really should have too, the product was good enough, but it's going to take a major turnaround in fortunes to rescue the franchise from diminishing returns now. It can be done, plenty of other franchises have managed it, even Trek has managed it at points in it's history. I just have zero confidence in Paramount to get the job done at this point. Another 'bad guy of the week' tale and the franchise is done for, Nemesis style in my view.

 

[Dales]

Not quite for me, that honour still goes to TWOK/TMP, though the time gap is so long between them you can't really make a fair comparison between them any more. It's like comparing a classic Ferrari to their latest 812 Superfast Model. Suffice to say it's right up there regardless though.



Can see where you're coming from but I think STID is every bit as good as 09, maybe even better. It's certainly more exciting and dramatic.



This I do agree with, but like the first two I'm struggling to separate the three. Right now, I'd give the nod to Beyond, but only just. They are all excellent in my view.



This 'backlash' I still don't see in any way, shape, or form bar that poxy poll at that convention that voted it the worst Trek film of all time (worse than TFF, INS? Really?). Into Darkness was well received and the most financially successful Trek movie of all time. Also, I don't see where the TOS nostalgia was in STID either, I thought Beyond leaned much more in that direction. STID had easter eggs and callbacks sure, but Beyond really felt like a big screen TOS outing to me.



Guess we'll never know the answer to this.



I wouldn't say no to JJ coming back, but he'll cost even more money this time round. Would he even be interested? I doubt it. He's surely going to want to direct a much bigger film than what Trek can offer him, especially after the mega success of The Force Awakens. Pure speculation though on my part I admit.

Also - didn't you just say above that STID had the TOS nostalgia?



I think they've blown it for this kind of money now. STID nearly got there, and Beyond really should have too, the product was good enough, but it's going to take a major turnaround in fortunes to rescue the franchise from diminishing returns now. It can be done, plenty of other franchises have managed it, even Trek has managed it at points in it's history. I just have zero confidence in Paramount to get the job done at this point. Another 'bad guy of the week' tale and the franchise is done for, Nemesis style in my view.

I won't say into darkness had a huge backlash but I think there was definitely la backlash and it got more noticeable when JJ Abrams started to... in a way separate himself from the film, the writers of the film did not return for beyond and pegg , who was one of the writers for Beyond got into an argument with fans and later admitted the film had its problems.

the thing with polls are they take a life of their own. I have seen about 7-10 ranking of all the 13 trek films by credible news agents and into darkness is always n the bottom 3, 5 or 7. which says a lot since the film has an 86% on RT and made over 400 million worldwide. some online ranking of the best trek films



http://www.blastr.com/2016-7-21/13-star-trek-movies-ranked-worst-first


Into darkness is ranked 11th

https://www.timeout.com/newyork/movies/best-and-worst-star-trek-movies-ranked

into darkness is ranked 10th

http://www.thewrap.com/star-trek-movies-ranked-worst-to-best/


into darkness is ranked last. 13th. its mind blowing how wrap thinks into darkness is the worst trek film.lol

http://www.craveonline.com/entertainment/1154729-13-star-trek-movies-ranked-worst-best

into darkness is ranked 12th

http://nerdist.com/all-12-star-trek-films-ranked-from-worst-to-best/

into darkness is ranked 8th

http://www.torontosun.com/2016/07/17/all-the-star-trek-films-ranked-from-worst-to-best

into darkness is ranked 9th

http://ew.com/gallery/star-trek-movies-ranked/10-star-trek-into-darkness

into darkness is ranked 10th.


I have no doubt that into darkness bottom place in every best star trek movie ranking you can find online is because of the backlash it got. the film's low ranking out of the 13 films is always consistent.

Beyond was a step up for me and a film I have on reruns more than Into Darkness.

 

[Smellmet]

I won't say into darkness had a huge backlash but I think there was definitely la backlash and it got more noticeable when JJ Abrams started to... in a way separate himself from the film, the writers of the film did not return for beyond and pegg , who was one of the writers for Beyond got into an argument with fans and later admitted the film had its problems.

the thing with polls are they take a life of their own. I have seen about 7-10 ranking of all the 13 trek films by credible news agents and into darkness is always n the bottom 3, 5 or 7. which says a lot since the film has an 86% on RT and made over 400 million worldwide. some online ranking of the best trek films



http://www.blastr.com/2016-7-21/13-star-trek-movies-ranked-worst-first


Into darkness is ranked 11th

https://www.timeout.com/newyork/movies/best-and-worst-star-trek-movies-ranked

into darkness is ranked 10th

http://www.thewrap.com/star-trek-movies-ranked-worst-to-best/


into darkness is ranked last. 13th. its mind blowing how wrap thinks into darkness is the worst trek film.lol

http://www.craveonline.com/entertainment/1154729-13-star-trek-movies-ranked-worst-best

into darkness is ranked 12th

http://nerdist.com/all-12-star-trek-films-ranked-from-worst-to-best/

into darkness is ranked 8th

http://www.torontosun.com/2016/07/17/all-the-star-trek-films-ranked-from-worst-to-best

into darkness is ranked 9th

http://ew.com/gallery/star-trek-movies-ranked/10-star-trek-into-darkness

into darkness is ranked 10th.


I have no doubt that into darkness bottom place in every best star trek movie ranking you can find online is because of the backlash it got. the film's low ranking out of the 13 films is always consistent.

Beyond was a step up for me and a film I have on reruns more than Into Darkness.

Yeah I've just read these among a few others. How it can be ranked under the likes of TFF, INS, NEM, GEN, even the likes of TSFS, TVH and FC is if you pardon the pun, beyond my comprehension. It's still sat at 7.8 on IMDB, which is the second highest rated after ST09 (8.0), even higher than TWOK, which clocks in at 7.7. Something doesn't add up.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Die-hards who get offended at things like Khan being British really hated Into Darkness on principle alone. The rest of the world liked it quite a bit.

Trekkies are weird like that.

 

[Gaith]

I still believe that Trek '09 and, by extension, Into Blahness did so well financially in large part due to a temporary gap in the market for colorful space action extravaganzas. But now that we got the start of Guardians of the Galaxy in '14 (with the Avengers and Thor soon going to space), plus Star Wars back every single year, that market gap is gone, and chasing with more 185m-budgeted movies is a fool's errand. It's time to either scale production costs way back, or put the whole film division on ice, and let Discovery take the lead for a few years.

 

[Jedman67]

Die-hards who get offended at things like Khan being British really hated Into Darkness on principle alone. The rest of the world liked it quite a bit.

Trekkies are weird like that.

I didn't care either way, I just felt that Into Darkness was an awful movie. That it recycled - badly - the plot from an iconic movie didn't do much to help.

 

[BillJ]

I didn't care either way, I just felt that Into Darkness was an awful movie. That it recycled - badly - the plot from an iconic movie didn't do much to help.

But it didn't recycle the plot. It reused about three minutes worth of script from TWoK. The plot of the two movies are completely different.

 

[Jedman67]

Whatever. I thought it was a terrible movie; it had good potential but it squandered it to make a cheap action flick.

 

[ISS Enterprise]

The frustrating thing was ST 2009 set up that anything can happen in new timeline
THEN JJ n crew create a movie that is loosely based on space seed n TWOK
So in essence a rehash IMO
now is it entertaining yes BUT seemed a crutch fir JJ

TWOK worked because Space Seed set a a lot of it up. Without that core the movie is hollow.

STB was a much better movie again IMO
NEW uncharted but had flaws as was rushed to replace Orchi f up

 

[F. King Daniel]

But it didn't recycle the plot. It reused about three minutes worth of script from TWoK. The plot of the two movies are completely different.

Yeah, no Geneisis Device, completely different motivations for everyone. Khan's trying to kill Kirk in Wrath of Khan, he's trying to save his family in Into Darkness.

 

[Lakenheath 72]

For me, the new Khan was not the same as the old Khan. There were differences in their backgrounds.

I think it was a fool's errand placing Star Trek in the pantheon of tentpole franchises, like the Marvel Universe. These properties have global appeal, whereas Star Trek is largely a product with some domestic appeal and very limited global appeal.

 

[BillJ]

Whatever. I thought it was a terrible movie; it had good potential but it squandered it to make a cheap action flick.

Whether or not one likes it is up to individual tastes. The claims that it is a remake of TWoK come across as lazy, whoever is making them.

 

[Lord Garth FOI]

Likely not going to be another
Films get greenlit all the time, more that are don't get made than do
Didn't make enough money and the Hollywood power players seem to have bigger fish to fry for Pine (though personally I don't see it)

 

[CorporalClegg]

TFA was more of a remake of SW77 than ID was of WoK. And TFA really wasn't that much of a remake of SW77.

 

[Mage]

I'm guessing they're waiting to see how Discovery does. Hoping that if that hits solid numbers, the boxoffice for a new Trek would be higher than Beyond was.

Or perhaps they simply don't feel the need to do fan-satisfaction and pump out movie after movie and just make it when they feel like it.

 

[Admiral Bear]

I'm guessing they're waiting to see how Discovery does. Hoping that if that hits solid numbers, the boxoffice for a new Trek would be higher than Beyond was.

Or perhaps they simply don't feel the need to do fan-satisfaction and pump out movie after movie and just make it when they feel like it.

No Trek fans I know have any interest in watching Discovery. My guess is the whole show will tank and will be cancelled after the first series. If no one watches it, Netflix won't continue to fund it, and if that happens, it's game over. I can't believe that at a reputed $7m per episode, that Netflix has paid for more than one season.

As for the movie franchise, I'll be surprised if there's another Abramsverse film, especially after Anton's passing, and the very poor box office of Beyond. Outside of Star Wars, there's no mainstream public appetite for sci-fi. Just look at how badly Ghost in the Shell is doing. That's another nail in Paramount's coffin.

 

[Mage]

No Trek fans I know have any interest in watching Discovery. My guess is the whole show will tank and will be cancelled after the first series. If no one watches it, Netflix won't continue to fund it, and if that happens, it's game over. I can't believe that at a reputed $7m per episode, that Netflix has paid for more than one season.

As for the movie franchise, I'll be surprised if there's another Abramsverse film, especially after Anton's passing, and the very poor box office of Beyond. Outside of Star Wars, there's no mainstream public appetite for sci-fi. Just look at how badly Ghost in the Shell is doing. That's another nail in Paramount's coffin.

That's interesting, since all Trek fans I know (give or take 6) are very interested in Discovery. It's weird how this show that hasn't even aired yet already caused such a split in the fanbase.

 

[Mage]

Whatever. I thought it was a terrible movie; it had good potential but it squandered it to make a cheap action flick.

I'm not gonna say it was terrible OR that is squandered its potential, but I do agree STiD could have been so much more than the attempt at homage that it was.

 

[Smellmet]

No Trek fans I know have any interest in watching Discovery.

This blows my mind. How can anyone call themselves a Trek fan if they've got no intention of watching a Star Trek series they haven't seen yet and don't even know a great deal about? Sound like a bunch of internet whiners to me, and a probably the same folk who stayed away from Beyond, then complained about how badly it's done at the box office.

 

[Admiral Bear]

This blows my mind. How can anyone call themselves a Trek fan if they've got no intention of watching a Star Trek series they haven't seen yet and don't even know a great deal about? Sound like a bunch of internet whiners to me, and a probably the same folk who stayed away from Beyond, then complained about how badly it's done at the box office.

Much of it is down to low fan expectation based on how poor Enterprise was until the final season, the last two Abrams films, CBS' killing of fan productions, CBS failing to do anything other than sweet FA for last year's 50th, and all the negative press, delays, and general debacle surrounding Discovery. In the eyes of many fans, Voyager wasn't up to much either, so for them, it's quite possible they've not seen what they view as decent Star Trek since DS9 finished 18 years ago. It's hard to get interested when it was that long ago since any decent output especially since now we have Blu-ray, people like me have more than enough episodes of Trek I do want to watch.

Unless you pay for Neflix and have the internet speed to watch it, or you use torrents, no one in the UK will be able to watch Discovery anyway. So, in addition to all the above, why get excited about something if you won't even be able to see it?

I suspect there are many hard core fans who don't want Discovery. They want DS9 remastered. I'm one of them. I make no apology for that.